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Joe Redifer
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Who buys a Mac to be a server (besides my boss)? You use a Mac for Final Cut Pro and the like as well as downloading porn. It is a fact that the Mac downloads better porn than Windows machines.

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Bobby Henderson
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I thought the PS2 had a PowerPC chip variant. My mistake. Still, the matter of all three next gen consoles being PowerPC based would stand to make Apple's CPU business a much smaller priority for IBM.

quote: Joe Redifer
The Intel chips for Apple will supposedly NOT be based on the crappy x86 line like PCs are now. All current apps and OS's are supposed to continue to run fine.
I haven't seen that in any of these rumor reports. Such a move would not make any sense for Apple and Intel either. Apple would be trading one proprietary platform for yet another closed platform -and have to develop software for both for a number of years. Such a thing is more do-able if Apple uses those crappy x86 chips. I don't see Intel coming up with an entirely different chip for this either. The Itanium CPU is different, but also very expensive.

More likely, I think Apple is going to use a combination of Pentium M, Pentium D and Xeon CPUs for any Intel-based Macs. There's a wide range of chips to use, from Pentium M processors for notebooks and Intel-based Mac Mini to multi-core Xeon processors for high end workstations and servers. The XeonMP will have as many as eight cores.

quote: Joe Redifer
Who buys a Mac to be a server (besides my boss)? You use a Mac for Final Cut Pro and the like as well as downloading porn. It is a fact that the Mac downloads better porn than Windows machines.
The Mac downloads "better porn" or "downloads porn better"? Will Jenna Jameson gain a cup size when viewed on a Mac? That would be a good selling point. I would certainly say the Mac is far safer to use for downloading porn. You don't have to worry so much about phone dialer bots, viruses and other crap being installed on your machine.

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Joe Redifer
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The Mac does not allow the downloading of nasty tramps like Jenna Jameson (seriously, she's fugly). Instead, it downloads much better women.

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Looks good to me! [thumbsup]

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Joe Redifer
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She smokes. Smokers are ugly. She also has fake tits. Fake tits are bad.

Also that picture makes it look as if she has a receding hairline.

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I agree with Joe.
She looks nasty.

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Yep, Its goin to happen Monday. Does this mean that Apples will now turn to oranges?

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Apple Switching to Intel Chips By GREG SANDOVAL, AP Technology Writer
39 minutes ago


SAN FRANCISCO - A stormy, decade-long relationship between Apple Computer Inc. and IBM is over, according to published reports. Apple CEO Steve Jobs is expected to announce Monday morning at the company's software developers conference in San Francisco that Apple will discontinue using microprocessor chips made by IBM in favor of Intel chips, according to CNET Networks Inc.'s News.com and The Wall Street Journal.

Officials from Apple, Intel Corp. and International Business Machines Corp. could not be reached Sunday to confirm the report.

For years, rumors of Apple's wish to jump to Intel have been circulating. But two weeks ago, analysts were skeptical when The Wall Street Journal reported that Intel and Apple were in negotiations.

One reason for the skepticism is that the move represents a significant risk for Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple.

Switching to Intel's x86 chips would force Apple's programmers to rewrite its software in order to adapt to the new processor.

"I don't know that Apple's market share can survive another architecture shift," Insight 64 analyst Nathan Brookwood told News.com. "Every time they do this, they lose more customers."

News.com reported that Apple would begin the transition to Intel with its lower-end computers, such as the Mac Mini, in mid-2006 and higher-end models a year later.

Apple's break with IBM stemmed from Jobs' wish that IBM make a larger variety of the PowerPC processors used in Macintosh systems. IBM balked because of concerns over the profitability of a low-volume business, News.com reported.

By wrestling away Apple's business from IBM, Intel tightens its stranglehold on the PC processor business. The company holds more than an 80 percent share of the market.

Although IBM suffers a setback with the loss of Apple, the company is expected to reap a financial windfall after signing up Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony Corp (SNE.N). to use PowerPC technology in future video-game machines.

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Joe Redifer
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So wouldn't this mean that people don't have to buy Macs anymore? Couldn't they just install OS X on ANY PC?

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Bobby Henderson
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I think Apple could deploy some proprietary circuitry on customized motherboards that would be required to load an Intel version of MacOSX. It could be a different BIOS chip or something else like that. If Apple is the only source for that circuitry then they could still keep others from making Mac clones.

But then that's only to assume Apple doesn't want anyone making cloned hardware. Some computer industry experts have speculated that Apple would actually prefer to get out of the punishing hardware business and do more to sell software (like Microsoft). There's more profit in that area.

If the average computer user can boot up either Windows or MacOSX on his system, he's probably going to start migrating everything over to the Mac side for lots of different reasons.

Whatever happens, if new Intel-based Macs are to be sold they should be able to dual boot Windows. That's going to be the critical thing to get lots of people to switch. They need to be able to still use their legacy software and then be able to migrate their licenses over to the new OS.

All this stuff is still rumor (the reports from Reuters and the SBC/Yahoo link and other posts Saturday still point back to that report CNet filed Friday night). It will very interesting to hear what Steve Jobs says in his speech on Monday.

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Joe Redifer
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I will be busy shooting some cool video Monday so please be sure to paraphrase what he says on here for me!

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Bobby Henderson
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According to a business article just posted on the CNN website, the word is now official, Apple will transition its entire Mac line to run on Intel processors by 2007. It's kind of odd that the article concentrated more on decreasing sales of the iPod. This news regarding Intel is a bigger deal.

First there was the "Wintel PC." Now a "Mactel PC"?

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Hasn't most of Apple's sales and earnings growth over the last couple years been attributable to the iPod success? I saw a story that says iPod sales have flattened out and the channels are overstocked with inventory. So anything negative that happens with iPod is a big deal to Apple in the short term, if that's where most of their earnings come from right now.

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Bobby Henderson
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Rumors are circulating that Apple has a number of new iPod products nearing release. Among those rumored items is a 2GB iPod Shuffle and an iPod Mini with a color screen. At any rate, the portable music player business is extremely competitive.

The deal breaker for me getting an iPod is not being able to replace the battery. Many portable music players lack this ability. When the battery loses its ability to hold a charge, you're screwed. You just have to buy a new player. That sucks ass. A few MP3 player models out there, such as the Creative Muvo player have replaceable rechargeable batteries. iRiver has a model that uses a AA battery.

Aside from the success of iPod, Apple still gets more than half its revenue stream from Mac system sales.

Here's a press release I found on Intel's website about the deal.
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20050606corp.htm

quote:
Apple to Use Intel Microprocessors Beginning in 2006

WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO—June 6, 2005—At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS® X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac® to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs' keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple's software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs.

“Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far,” said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. “It's been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel's technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years.”

“We are thrilled to have the world's most innovative personal computer company as a customer,” said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel. “Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come.”

“We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit. “We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform.”

“We think this is a really smart move on Apple's part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe.

The Developer Transition Kit is available starting today for $999 to all Apple Developer Connection Select and Premier members. Further information for Apple Developer Connection members is available at developer.apple.com . Intel plans to provide industry leading development tools support for Apple later this year, including the Intel C/C++ Compiler for Apple, Intel Fortran Compiler for Apple, Intel Math Kernel Libraries for Apple and Intel Integrated Performance Primitives for Apple.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music players and iTunes online music store.

Intel, the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products. Additional information about Intel is available at www.intel.com/pressroom.

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This press release doesn't make any mention if a new "Mactel" box will be able to dual boot both MacOSX and Windows. It would be a really big selling point for the new systems if they could.

The press release also confirms the theory some have had that Apple already had a working Intel version of OSX.

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Mike Olpin
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Also noteworthy is the new version of XCode which allows developers to not only port existing code to OS X for Intel, but create fully compiled "Universal Binary" applications that run seamlessly on both OS X for Intel and OS X for PPC. Reportedly, many existing cocoa apps will only have to change a few lines of code to be compiled. In addition, Mac OS X for windows will run a binary translator called "Rosetta" that will allow current mac programs to run seamlessly with OS X for Intel, albeit a tad slower. Expect to see most software released from this point forward to be encoded in Universal Binary, thus ensuring that when the new Intel based macs hit the stores, there will already be a good number of apps that run on it natively. For the long time mac user, the transition should be mostly transparent.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mike Olpin
In addition, Mac OS X for windows will run...
That does not make any sense. You mean OSX for Intel?

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