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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 06-16-2005 12:41 AM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There are a few decent DVD authoring applications on the PC side. The problem is the ones that do all of what DVD Studio Pro does cost quite a bit more money.

Pinnacle Liquid Edition Pro is about the only reasonably affordable ($999) solution that can deliver good results. The "pro" version has a pretty nice breakout box. If someone insists on using the PC platform for "prosumer" video work, I would recommend using Liquid Edition Pro in conjunction with Adobe After Effects. It beats the crap out of Adobe's arguably embarrasing first effort at a video and DVD creation suite.

Apple delivers a hell of a bargain in its Production Suite. For $1299 you get four solid applications. On the PC side, I would have to buy a combination of applications Avid, DigiDesign and Adobe to have a setup matching those features. That would be a pretty expensive collection of software.

Regarding Windows, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but WinXP is a pretty damned easy operating system to use. I think you have to be Rainman stupid not to be able to find your way around on a PC. The difference between it and the MacOS is definitely not the extreme being characterized by others. I also don't agree with the judgment that Photoshop is somehow laid out more efficiently in OSX than it is on Windows. The toolset is all the same -especially in the new CS2 version.

I'd still like to have a Mac-based system -but that's only so I can use that Apple Production Suite. The applications are the only thing that matters. OS cheerleading or bashing is just silly.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I also don't agree with the judgment that Photoshop is somehow laid out more efficiently in OSX than it is on Windows.
Who said that? One thing I do like better about Mac Photoshop, though, is that it doesn't put a grey box behind my work making the app cover the entire screen. I hate that. I can't figure out how to get rid of it on Windows. I want to see "through" the app to my desktop if my graphic is smaller. I think the same thing applies to After Effects. Apps like Final Cut Pro take up the whole screen because they literally NEED to.

Working around in Windows sucks because you have to go into My Computer to navigate the hard drives. Why the extra step? Also, I don't care for the XP start menu at all. And why is it that when I go into the PROGRAMS folder that I must turn on the viewing of the apps? That is retarded. Windows is an OS for people in a consistent vegetative state, like that crackwhore Terri Schaivo.

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Adam Wilbert
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quote: Joe Redifer
One thing I do like better about Mac Photoshop, though, is that it doesn't put a grey box behind my work making the app cover the entire screen.
I like it that way (with the grey background). I think it cleans up the workspace.

quote: Randy Stankey
I don't use a mouse 1/2 the time anyway. You can access most features of a Mac from the keyboard if you are smart.
You can do the same on a PC, and what I hear, in a more intuitive way. I'd rather press Alt-G, H in firefox to go "home" than "f2, right, right, right, down, down." as I understand OS X does it. (i'm not "hands on" yet, so don't yell at me if thats not right) Anyway, the shortcut hints are right there on the screen, and I don't have to memorize a slew of "command-letter" shortcuts. Besides, half the time i'm web surfing, i'm leaning back in by chair, feet up on the desk, with my mouse on my knee. Why would I want to lean forward to hold "control" while I click? I don't understand the arguments against a two button mouse. "I don't use a two-button mouse, its too complicated... i use a 101 key keyboard instead!" or alternatively, "I don't use a two button mouse, I just press control and click" (as if thats easier). But, in general, I would agree that using the keyboard is much much faster than the mouse will ever be.

quote: Randy Stankey
Both have two buttons but they are programmed to be the same.
I'm sorry, but thats just retarded. WHY? if your index finger gets tired, you can use another? What a waste of a button. Apple may have sold me on OS X, but they'll never take my multi-button-plus-scroll-wheel mouse.

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Joe Redifer
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The Apple mouse is for people with brain damage ONLY. Real people who actually are somebody go out and buy a Microsoft two-button mouse with a scrollwheel. If you enjoy lag time and do not need to be pixel-perfect when editing graphics then you will appreciate a wireless mouse. But if you have severe brain damage and MUST use the Apple mouse, you don't need to press CONTROL to get a right-click. Just click the mouse and hold.

quote: Adam Wilbert
I like it that way (with the grey background). I think it cleans up the workspace.
Have you been skipping your therapy again? But the Mac can do that as well, for people who shun efficiency when opening new files via drag-and-drop (a concept completely lost on PC users, all of whom want to make sweet love to Terri Shaivo's rotting corpse).

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Adam Wilbert
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quote: Joe Redifer
Just click the mouse and hold.

ah... finally on page two I start to get the helpful hints that I started this thread for!. I didn't mean to unleash a holy war. Everything I've read says "control-click = right-click". Thanks, Joe!

quote: Joe Redifer
for people who shun efficiency when opening new files via drag-and-drop
I drag and drop files all the time on my PC. I guess I use Windows in a very mac-esque way. But in iTunes: PC edition, drag-and-drop is the only way to add files to the library. There is no "open location" menu option. I hope this isn't typical of the way mac applications work. I like multiple options for doing the same thing, 'cause they all come in handy in different situations.

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Aaron Garman
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I love my PC, even though I have it looking like OSX. I wouldn't mind an actual Mac in a notebook, however. How are the iBooks and PowerBooks? I'd most likely use it for web, email, Office, and DVDs on the go.

AJG

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Joe Redifer
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In iTunes just use the ADD TO LIBRARY functionXorZ instead of Open.

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Mike Olpin
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Here's another cool drag-and-drop trick for you, Adam.

-Place a test file on the desktop, just for the purpose of this demonstration.
-Close all of the windows.
-Now drag the file over to "Macintosh HD", but dont let go of the mouse button. Just hold it there for a few seconds.
-Cool, huh?
-If you dont want to wait, pressing space bar will launch the feature right away.

Learning all the comand whatever shortcuts
-Open a menu.
-Next to most menu items you will see a "squigly bug" icon and a letter.
-To activate that comand, simply press the squigly-bug/apple/command key and that letter.
*Note - for some reason firefox has not assigned a key to the home command. Users should e-mail Firefox and ask themto put one in. To go home in Safari, cmd-shift-h will do it. *note within the note: Shift is indicated by an up arrow next to the icon and letter in the menu.

I'll post more when i've got enough energy to start putting up screen grabs for you.

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Joe Redifer
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You can drag a file to any folder, not just the hard drive and it will open like Mike says. Other things I find usefull:

-Assigning the Expose feature that the F9 button usually does to button 3 of your mouse (pressing on the scrollwheel). This will make it so that every single open window is visable, and you can click on one you want to be active. Click here to see an example with a TON of apps running.

-You know how you press Alt+Tab (I think) in Windows to cycle through the open apps? I'm not sure if it is the Alt button or not, but it is the button right next to the space bar on a Windows machine. Well you do the same exact thing on a Mac (except it uses the Apple button, which is still the one right next to the space bar). How do I know this when I say all windows users are necropheliacs? Well ummm... NEXT TIP!

-Double clicking the title bar of any floating window will minimize it to the dock. I almost never click the yellow or green buttons.

-Clicking the red button does NOT end the application like it does on Windows. It only close the window. If you want to quit, just press Apple+Q (for "Quit") or select QUIT from the application menu (furthest menu on left, under the app's name). No need to close windows manually.

-Go to your Applications folder/Utilies/disk utility and repair permissions on your startup disk every once in awhile... especially after large installs. It helps keep things smooth. Also be sure to do this before any OS update even if it is just a minor update. Do it again after the update is completed and twice on Sundays.

-Turn off auto software update. Like Windows, the updates are usually worse that what they are trying to fix. 10.4 Tiger is a mess compared to 10.3.9.

-Turn off the growing mouse-over effect (magnification) of the dock. It is retarded and makes selecting an application a bit more difficult since they are always moving as you mouse-over. Do not turn on auto-hiding for your dock. It is mega-annoying. Also in your dock preferences change the Minimizing mode to scale. The Genie mode takes twice to three times as long to accomplish the same task and looks goofy.

-In the Finder (this is what the desktop itself is called), press Apple+J and you can resize the icons and do crazy-insane stuff like that which will leave you breathless.

-Try to piss off Phil simply because he uses a PC and for no other reason. It is great fun, and as you can see I am having a fantastic time knowing that I have PWND him.

-Right click on any icon or folder and you can assign a certain color to it for quick identification (kind of like highlighting).

-You can place your scroll arrows at top and bottom instead of just together at the bottom, which I have always hated since Mac OS 8 or 9. But you should get a scroll-wheel mouse and you'll probably never use the arrows again anyway.

-Do NOT install the drivers that come with any mouse you purchase. Any USB mouse will work natively in OS X, right click, scrollwheel and all. Only install the drivers if you find that the mouse cursor doesn't move fast or slow enough with the default settings.

-In the sharing prefs, turn on personal file sharing as well as Windows sharing. This will let your Windows computer see and network seamlessly with the Mac.

-Keep your desktop as cluttered as possible. The chaos method of organization is obviously the best way, as every file on your computer is available directly on the desktop. Also, chicks dig it.

-A black triangle underneath an application in the dock means that program is currently running. You can right click on it's icon to click it. To remove something from the Dock forever, just drag it off of the Dock and watch the incredible Disney-quality animation.

-If you experience crashes while encoding Dolby Digital AC3 files for movies you've illegally pirated, disable one of the processors while encoding. The Dolby encoding program does not always play nicely with dual processor machines on super long encodes.

[ 06-16-2005, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Joe Redifer ]

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Joe Redifer
There are no PC DVD authoring apps anywhere near as good as DVD Studio Pro.
Joe, I've bought several cheap, 'home' type DVD software packages over the years, and they've all been next to useless. At the moment I've got an old Pentium, and a Mac Mini at home, but I'll soon have a top of the range G4 with Just about everything, as well. I've bought it, now I've just got to get somebody with a car to take me to collect it. The boxes will be too big to take on the bus easily. DVD Studio Pro 4 is just under 500 pounds here, say $900 ish, which I can't afford at the moment, but maybe next year. Can it be used as a stand-alone product, or does it have to be used with Final Cut, Soundtrack pro, etc.? I couldn't afford the whole pachage. I want to work with archive material from old video tapes, and, later, 16mm film. I've no intention of doing my own telecine, I'd get that done professionally.

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Mike Blakesley
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If that list of Joe's constitutes the major advantages of Mac over Windows, then I don't see what all the shouting's about. But I have to admit I would like to try on a Mac sometime.

Also what the hell is "minize?"

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I'm not sure what its all about either Mike... And I've used both systems over the yers. I've not had a problem with my PC freezing up, with viruses, or anythng else since I converted over to SCSI hard drives. Don't know exactly why that would matter but reliability has been a thousand times better with them in place over using all the IDE drives that I've gone through over the years. My computer has only been turned off once since I installed them... to blow out the desert dust that accumulates in it out here.

Mark

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Stephen Furley
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quote:
C'Mon! You click on the START button to shut the computer OFF!? Really!?

Wheras on a Mac, pre system X, you click on the 'special' menu to do the same thing. What's so 'special' about shutting the thing down. [Confused]

The first x86 machines I worked on were Research Machines Nimbus. Ran MS/Dos, but the bios, and some of the hardware was not IBM pompatible, though an emulator was available to run some CGA software. Windows 1, and later 2, was available for it, this was a special version, though standard versions of Windows applications could then be run, though almost all software was DOS then, Dos version was 3.1. In almost all ways that the RM equipment differed from the IBM pc the RM one was better, 720k 3.5 inch floppies, 20MB. internal, and/or up to 60MB. external hard disks via SASI interface. Slightly higher vertical resolution, and more colours on screen than CGA, more 'usable' memory than the 640MB. The processor was an Intel 80186, not widely used, but basically an 8086 with a few extra components on board, and a few extra instructions, which nobody used, because hardly any other machines would be able to run the code.

I had previously worked on 8080 and Z80, and remember being rather dubious about a processor with a 24 bit address bus, but only 16 bit index reqisters. It could be a real pain doing things like sorting large (to big for one segment) data, and having to deal with long pointers, fiddle around with segment registers, etc.

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Phil Hill
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quote: Joe
-Try to piss off Phil simply because he uses a PC and for no other reason. It is great fun, and as you can see I am having a fantastic time knowing that I have PWND him.

Me thinks you got that back-asswards, Joe. I make one, tiny, anti-Mac post and a couple of pesky follow-ups and you take the bait hook, line, and sinker! [evil] [Razz]

BTW: You assume I like the PC over the Mac. Actually I usually use my Atari 800 running at 1.79MHz with 48k of RAM.

(I can hear the Apple II crowd winding up now...)

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Adam Wilbert
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Thanks Joe! I'll have to look up how to add the scroll arrows to both ends of the bar.
Mike: Don't spend too much time on this. links to online resources that I might not have come across yet would also prove helpful.
quote: Joe Redifer
In the sharing prefs, turn on personal file sharing as well as Windows sharing. This will let your Windows computer see and network seamlessly with the Mac.
This was my first question to the guys at TD Curran. If it wasn't going to be easy to link everything, that was going to be a deal breaker.

quote: Mike Blakesley
If that list of Joe's constitutes the major advantages of Mac over Windows, then I don't see what all the shouting's about.
not advantages per se, just some things that might work differently between the two OSs. Thats going to be my biggest hurdle. I don't think that anything is going to be significantly harder or easier to do, it'll just be different.

I do have a question though. As far as browsers go, whats the difference between mozilla firefox and mozilla camino? Other than the fact that I associate camino with those creepy white aliens in SW:EP2, camino is "made for the mac" where firefox is just ported [Confused]

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