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Gordon McLeod
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A 70mm print with SR has slightly better dynamic range than SRD and definetly less distortion but it will also wear and loss high freq response over time and pick up noise and clicks with age and in some cases develop print through

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Andy Summers
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Monte’

That was totally absorbing information, I take it that you really enjoyed the “Villa” as some projectionists full in love, well take a likeness to architecture design etc.

Something about curved screens, it’s the way the sound works with it, for me I like to sit as close to the screen as possible, yeah I know the calibrations are done at the centre the sweet spot, but it’s the Dolby sound come off those huge JBL’s, like the Empire many years ago, the set-up was untouchable, and now it’s changed, it’s just not the same Monte’ cinema politics.

Star Wars in 70mm blow-up six-track Dolby, wow I’d like to hear what that sounds like really, as the sound mix as gone throw so many changes over course of years to where it now represents a 6th version of the mix, and soon in 2007 I’d predict a 7th version with a Star Wars 3-D in the works, therefore I quote C3-PO from “STAR WARS” “Well this ever end?” -“R2-D2 bleep, bleep.

I can only see never pleasing “George Lucas” and good heavens if it gets a DVD realise there probably re-mix again for DVD is “Skywalker Sound” trying to break a record or something?, anyway it’s a long, long way off from that happing yet, so in the meantime will be patient.

Cinerama houses are still around but not in huge numbers like they where around the 60’s and having never seen one classic like “2001: A Space Odyssey”, one can only imagine what that most be like, the film it self took some 5 years to make back it’s investment due to the cost of the production, unlike “STAR WRAS” which grossed an astronomical amount, so just how many surviving “Cinerama” houses are there today, I’m guessing no one films in that format anymore, but if a new print needed to be made then they’ll have to produce one surly.

Wide film format or the “RoadShow” events are fading due to technologies and younger folks with there flip-up video phones, just simply don’t give a hoot, yet with when you go into a store like “HMV” in Bournemouth, and over hear what there saying, I just cant help myself to break-in, it’s like if a newer approach was formulated to bring not only the old folks like myself and the newer generation, and do 70mm shows again.

Yes it may work, think about it, one the cost we’ll have to be affordable, and the expectations have to very high that will go beyond what they can achieve with the home cinema set-ups, why oh why do they watch re-runs of “Eastenders” because there die hard fans, yet for some they do like home cinema, but it’s not a case of converting them or preaching to them, but putting cinematic event, that there’ll then try and figure how to reproduce at home…

Now I know that doesn’t make much sense, maybe I’ve been working too hard?

“Logan’s Run” my dad took me to see that when it came out in 1976 same year as “King Kong” at the “ABC” (Association of British cinemas) screen #1 both films where scope, though my memories are a little hazy, still waiting for a Region 2 DVD realise of “Logan’s Run” “MGM” is very slow about getting old realises done over hear, but eventually they do come out.

Wasn’t “Logan’s Run” released with five-screen channels and one mono surround channel, as I’ve seen a slightly cropped scope 2.35:1 version on TV many years ago, and the sound mix had lots of dialogue panning going on, and with “Dolby Digital Plus” and the newer generation of DVD players and software coming to a home cinema soon, I’d like to have true five-screen fronts, though there’s a few hear that disagree with that approach, yes it will work in the home, it’s how it’s all designed into the environment, and a willingness to do it, it’s doable.

And with just 2x basic Dolby pro-logic decoders added on, and re-plugging of the audio output leads a few extra amplifiers and matching loudspeakers, one can recreate the five-screen version, I tried this out a few years ago 2003, when I read an article in “Widescreen magazine” the idea was simple.

Click on the link, this review shows how to recreate 5 screen or finding extra channels.
http://www.smartdev.com/SDDS%20article.htm

Sorry, that there is no images I cant figure it, though I have saved the same page in (My documents) where it will take me a few hours to find the diagrams, but read along with the text and draw out on paper then once done, do it, it does work.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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quote: Monte Fullmer
CP-65 processors there for the 70mm release.
The CP-65 did not exist in 1977. They were probably runing a CP-100.

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Andy Summers
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Gordon’

Hi there I didn’t see you there, has I’ve been typing for the last hour, and forgot to refresh the page.

Flecking is that the term, where the oxide coating wares off, though it’s not same or is it the same with 15 perf “IMAX” 70mm, I’ve heard but of the soundtrack going totally mute with “SATR TREK DAY” at the “EMPIRE” Sunday October 8th 1989 where all five Star Trek films where shown in 70mm except for (Star Trek the motion picture 35mm Dolby Stereo “A” Optical) all the rest where in the delightful engagement of six-track Dolby Stereo, via the Lucasfilm THX sound system.

Each film just got heavy with lots of low end and mid and high frequencies where crystal clear, the show was all going so well, with each film having a (Laser Show) in-between, the cinema was packed out big time, with “Star Trek IV the Voyage Home” the audience went totally “trekky” just towards the end of the film where Kirk and crew are entering earth atmosphere and encountering the “PROBE” the sound went dead for around 10 to 15 seconds, then came back on, well I guess the penthouse eat those mag tracks for dinner, at a previous cinema.

With “STAR TREK V the Final Frontier” which showed the “THX” trailer “Cimarron” this has to be my favourite trailer, though “Star Trek V” was only playing for one day exclusively at the “EMPIRE” in 70mm and “THX” yes it was a fantastic day, which started at 11.00am and ended around 9.30pm fascinating.

Hallo there Mitchell’ been banging away hear at the keys, I’ll wait till the next post from you to read.

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Paul Linfesty
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quote: Andy Summers
I’m guessing no one films in that format anymore
You think? Good guess, Andy.

quote: Andy Summers
RoadShow” events are fading
This statement would have been more accurate around 35 years ago.

quote: Andy Summers
Wasn’t “Logan’s Run” released with five-screen channels and one mono surround channel
Yes, although two of those screen channels were "faked."

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Andy Summers
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Paul’

Faked or not faked, my point exactly I look forwards to adding some more JBL control 5, and amplification along with some Dolby pro-logic decoders, as, “the Hills are alive with the sound of Music”

Thank you…. [Big Grin]

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Andy Summers
Wasn’t “Logan’s Run” released with five-screen channels and one mono surround channel, as I’ve seen a slightly cropped scope 2.35:1 version on TV many years ago....
Hmmmm, let's see - My DVD copy of "Logan's Run" from MGM home Video(1998) does have the 5.1 surround ... - Monte

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Andy Summers
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Monte’

Yes but are the surrounds in MONO, or have they remixed the films soundtrack, check it out lucky devil you are having “LOGAN’S RUN” do you play your films on a home “THX” AVR?

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Gordon McLeod
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flacking of a mag track is where whole sections of oxide fall off but the track on its own will lose some Hi Freq response each pass pass the head
dubber tape doesn't have as many issues since it is coated across the complete width of the print stock

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Andy Summers
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Gordon’

So what’s the calculated running of 70mm six-track Dolby Stereo films, before the soundtrack has worn of it’s HF end? and giving the print cost is around £16.000.00 that’s a lot of dosh.

Also how does one go about having there picture placed on hear?

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Gordon McLeod
A 70mm print with SR has slightly better dynamic range than SRD
SR mag boasts 22db of headroom versus the 20db standard of theatrical compressed digital formats like DTS or Dolby Digital. 70mm mag prints will wear and degrade. But I wonder how much longer a 35mm six track full coat print master will last (provided it is properly stored)?

quote: Andy Summers
Also how does one go about having there picture placed on hear?
You're wanting to listen to a picture? Or have a photo placed on your ear?

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Gordon McLeod
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35mm fullcoat seems very durable (if the heads are kept in good condition and the dubber degaused regularly

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Andy Summers
do you play your films on a home “THX” AVR?

Nah, not yet, just through the computer's monitor and headphones for now.

But, when I get ready to build a house in the near future, there's gonna be an ET room that's gonna be very wickedly built for home theatre (DLP 16.9 projection device, DVD/SACD 3channel player that can also do 5.1 discrete, microperf screen with adj maskings from full flat to 2.77/1 for those 70mm ultra panavision DVD releases, nice JBL's behind the screen using small QSL's for the amps, a good half-dozen satellite for split surrounds, and a thumpy sub hiding in the corner..LOL) in the future when time gets ready.

Hey, if the DVD's are being made to sound good, by damn make it presentable as well to go along with the sound.

thx-Monte

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Andy Summers
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Monte’

QSC amplification, I take it that’s correct, I dig it man, so there’s a few ultra Panavision DVD’s lurking around, not sure if have any, wait a sec, “West Side Story”, “Brainstorm” wasn’t “Tron” ultra Panavision it was filmed onto 65mm negative.

Plus there’s probably a few more I’ve left out hard to keep track of some 650 films and there’s around 2.5 to 3 million films worldwide, impossible to watch them all , impossible, and that’s usual one word I don’t like, anyway these films in there Ultra Panavision status are going to show up fantastic on DVD with DLP front projection, your putting me on?

I would be very interested to see this in the home environment, with all the trimmings, and LucasFilm THX sound system JBL, Rocker chairs and the Ice-cream.

No make that a Tuna sandwich. [thumbsup]

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Bill Gabel
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These are the only films that can be called Ultra-Panavision. Because they were filmed in that format. But not all film to video transfers have used the original Ultra-Panavision 65mm material other than "Ben-Hur", "The Greatest Story Ever Told" and maybe "Battle of the Bulge". More films have used the original materials that were shot in Super Panavision 70 format.
  • Raintree County
    Ben-Hur
    Mutiny on the Bounty
    It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
    The Fall of the Roman Empire
    The Greatest Story Ever Told
    The Hallelujah Trail
    Battle of the Bulge
    Khartoum
These are the Super Panavision 70 list.
  • The Big Fisherman
    Exodus
    West Side Story
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Cheyenne Autumn
    My Fair Lady
    Lord Jim
    Grand Prix
    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    Ice Station Zebra
    McKenna's Gold
    Ryan's Daughter
    Song of Norway
    Tron
    Brainstorm
    Far & Away
    Hamlet

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