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Topic: TSA security hilarity
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Brad Miller
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Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-22-2005 02:24 PM
TSA is nothing more than a false sense of security for the dumb Americans. They aren't stopping ANYTHING. Case in point, next time any of you are at DFW airport, take note of the location of the TSA goonsquad. Now take note of the spinning exit only doors...there's nobody watching those! Let's say I wanted to hijack a plane. All I do is go through the TSA screening, then have my buddy meet me at the exit only carousel 5 minutes later where he drops a gun or bomb or whatever on the floor and kicks it in, then the door literally delivers it inside to me so I can go wreak havoc!
By the way, if you book your ticket less than 24 hours before the plane departs, you WILL get put on the terrorist list. This happened to me a couple of months ago when I was doing some installations. Plans changed and I had to modify my tickets the day before on a few occasions. After the third time I got the raping I asked the guard flat out why I was being pulled aside. He asked "when did you buy your ticket?" I told him "last week, but I had to change it yesterday for today's flight because the contractors were behind." He said "that's why, the system automatically assumes something is up on a last minute booking". My response was "that seems dumb to me, so according to this theory terrorists do things on a spur of the moment thing?" His response was amazingly "yes". WHAT??? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
The terrorists won. They don't even have to do anything anymore because TSA does it for them on a daily basis.
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Robert Minichino
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From: Haskell, NJ, USA
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 12-22-2005 05:09 PM
quote: Greg Mueller
And I've seen them do the same thing to little old ladies that are in wheel chairs. Meanwhile you see these angry looking mideastern types with black leather jackets and a wife in one of those burka outfits waltz right on through without a second look and I'm getting the complete physical.
Why don't they just shove the political correctness and start profiling?
Answer: Because the ACLU would jump them
And the ACLU would jump them for good reason, I'd say. The vast, vast majority of those "mideastern" types are law-abiding citizens, just like you; they just happen to share some very visible attributes with some reprehensible people. They'd be just as inconvenienced as you were if the profiling was only done by appearance, except they'd be stopped all the time.
There's nothing stopping potential terrorists that fit that profile from getting some crazy white guy (for example) to carry their weapons for them. There are plenty of crazy white guys in the US (McVeigh, for one); why don't younger white guys with crew cuts have a harder time renting a truck? Even an unwitting accomplice with something concealed in their carry-on or on their person (slipped into their pocket) can be dangerous.
That's not failing to be "politically correct," that's just racist. You can certainly use national origin or appearance as a part of a broader profile (when did they buy the ticket, where are they going, what does the flight path take them past, where is their seat on the plane, what kind of baggage are they taking with them, etc.) to be fairer to all people AND more effective at stopping terrorists. The random checks are in addition to people being flagged due to fitting a profile, and that's where your little old ladies will get selected.
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 12-23-2005 05:39 AM
quote: Mike Blakesley
The next terror attack won't be on a plane anyway, since the terrorists know that's where we have most of our "security." They'll hit something like a Greyhound bus or a shopping mall or a stadium. Or a theatre.
Or, just to really put some Christmas cheer into this thread, if planes are involved it'll probably be at one rather than on one. For example, Heathrow Airport is surrounded by (relatively speaking) economically deprived suburbs with significant Muslim populations. Why waste time and energy thwarting security at the airport itself when you can stand on the roof of a block of flats with a surface-to-air missile launcher? I'm sure there are airports all over Europe which fit a similar profile. After all, no-one wants to live next door to an airport, and so those that do are often people who can't afford to live anywhere else.
It seems to me that if you're reduced to relying on airport x-ray machines to stop terrorists, you've already lost three quarters of the battle. The thing to do is to identify and neutralise them before they do anything nasty.
A friend has his office about 50 yards down a corridor from where one of the 7/7 bombers worked, at the University of Leeds. He told me that lots of people had their suspicions before this man disappeared. He was a chemistry postgrad, and had ordered lots of stuff from suppliers that he shouldn't have needed to do his legitimate work. He came and went at odd hours of the day or night, was secretive about his work and refused to have any social contact with most of his colleagues. Lots of people were worried about him, but in the PC climate that tends to dominate places like universities, no-one wanted to say anything lest they be branded a racist and/or a Muslim-o-phobe.
I don't want to live in a police state where anyone who is slightly eccentric is reported to the bogies as a possible security threat (sounds too much like Germany in the '30s for my liking), but it seems to me that common sense has to prevail here. 99% of Muslims are not terrorists who want to destroy the west; but 99% of terrorists who want to destroy the west are, at the moment, Muslims. And when you've got one of them in a job which gives him access to the materials needed to make bombs and who is acting suspiciously, that's when you want to get the authorities involved. Perhaps if we all played our part and we looked at upgrading our intelligence services a bit, we could deal with the problem long before it comes down to airport x-ray machines.
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John Pytlak
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Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 12-23-2005 02:32 PM
quote: Paul Mayer
My, don't they teach anything in school these days?
Presented for the edification of this esteemed forum's membership:
A Curtis JN-4 "Jenny"
Another product of the NY State Finger Lakes region, just south of Rochester:
http://web.linkny.com/~curtiss/
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GLENN H.CURTISS
ACCOMPLISHMENTS INCLUDE:
Motorcycles
1901 Pioneer motorcycle designer and racer
1903 1st American motorcycle champion--world record:56.4 sec. mile
1904 Set ten mile world speed record
1904 Invented handlebar throttle control
1905 Set world speed records for 1, 2, and 3 miles
1907 Set world speed record of 77.6 mph
1907 "Fastest Man in the World" at 136.36 mph (V8 motorcycle)
Aeroplanes
1908 Lead designer and pilot of "June Bug", first official, pre-announced, public flight in US
1908 "Flight engineer" for 1st Army dirigible trial
1909 Produced and sold first private aircraft in US
1909 Won first international air speed record with 46.5mph--Rheims,Fr.
1910 Long distance flying record of 150 miles from Albany to New York
1910 Established Flying School and Exhibition Company
1910 Trained Blanche Stuart Scott, the first American female pilot
1911 RECEIVED PILOT'S LICENSE NUMBER ONE for "June Bug" flight
1911 First successful pontoon aircraft in America
1911 "Father of Naval Aviation", Hydroaeroplane A-1 purchased by USN
1911 First dual pilot control
1911 First retractable landing gear (Hydroaeroplane)
1912 Developed and flew first flying boat--(demonstrated on Lake Keuka)
World War I
1914-1918 Produced 6,000 "Jennys", trainer for WW I
Post World War I
1919 Curtiss NC-4 flying boat--first to cross the Atlantic
1919 Commenced private aircraft production with the Oriole
The Florida Years
1919 Developed streamlined travel trailer
1921 Developed Hialeah, Florida
1923 Developed Miami Springs, Florida (named in 1930)
1926 Developed Opa-Locka, Florida
A Life Time of Innovation
1878-1930 Produced over five hundred inventions in his life time
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Jenny/Aero3.htm
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The Curtiss JN-4 "Jenny"
The Curtiss JN-4 "Jenny" two-seat biplane was one of the most popular planes of all time. Although the JN-4 series of aircraft was technologically unremarkable, it was significant in that it was the first mass produced plane and was manufactured in larger numbers than any other American plane up to that time. The Jenny never saw military action but met the need for a dependable military trainer. From April 1917 when the United States entered World War I, it was used to train some 95 per cent of all U.S. and Canadian pilots.
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