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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 01-29-2006 11:18 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Really, Who on earth would want that old film junk when we already have DLP going strong across America....

Mark

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 01-29-2006 11:31 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well if you notice he's selling the smelly seats, too. That can only mean ONE thing: He's turning the room into a garage to store his upcoming mid-life crisis sports cars. [Razz]

I can't wait until my midlife crisis. The cars I buy will kick so much ass. Maybe I'll start now!

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 01-30-2006 12:48 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I find it humorous how many people think I am dismantling my screening room. Nothing except possibly the seats is for sale out of there. This is all extra equipment that is taking up room.

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Joe Redifer
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Damn. No wonder the CA21's weren't for sale.

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Joshua Waaland
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 - posted 01-30-2006 06:44 AM      Profile for Joshua Waaland   Email Joshua Waaland   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So many of the things you have listed are just like what you have in your screening room. I thought you must have went off the deep end or something. [Wink]

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Bruce Hansen
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 - posted 01-30-2006 11:18 AM      Profile for Bruce Hansen   Email Bruce Hansen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hay Jennifer, what does the rest of the T-shirt say? I'm hoping: Don't tell Santa...but I've been a naughty girl.

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Jennifer Pan
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 - posted 01-30-2006 04:38 PM      Profile for Jennifer Pan   Author's Homepage   Email Jennifer Pan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Don't tell Santa I'm up to something."

Anyway, back to the glorious screening room... I'm wondering how many love seat(motorized beds) can fit in there. [Big Grin]

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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 01-30-2006 05:17 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would love to have a complete CDS system.... but what the hell would I do with it? [Shrug]

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 01-30-2006 05:41 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The CDS film reader kind of looks like a big toaster. You would have to use 70mm slices of bread. Maybe crackers would work.
[Razz]

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Phil Hill
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 - posted 01-30-2006 06:02 PM      Profile for Phil Hill   Email Phil Hill       Edit/Delete Post 
Jen, Brad told me he was also going to remove the row risers and put in a slanted floor with one big waterbed. Ummm, heated of course with slosh dividers so as not to disturb adjacent "viewers".

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Slanted floor with a water bed, eh? Is it going to be one strong bladder or is the screening room being moved into a big centrifuge?

I always wanted to have a gel filled water bed.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 01-30-2006 09:10 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Consider donating (tax deduction) one of the Cinema Digital Sound (CDS) systems to the International Museum of Photography at the George Eastman House. It will be in good company:

http://www.eastmanhouse.org/inc/collections/technology.php

quote:
The Technology Collection

Bellows Camera The technology collection is one of the world's largest collections of photographic and cinematographic equipment. It contains nineteenth- and twentieth-century objects of photographic technology, including cameras, processing equipment, motion picture devices, and a broad range of early historical accessories. Many of the objects are unique, representing distinguished historical ownership and significant scientific achievement.

This collection is the most comprehensive held by any institution in North America and equaled in overall quality by only three other major holdings worldwide. From devices that pre-date the formal invention of photography in 1839 to the most modern state-of-the-art instruments used by both amateurs and professionals, the collection offers visitors an unparalleled opportunity to examine and learn about photographic technology.

The core collections are both European and American in origin; the greatest strengths are early French and American cameras.



Highlights

* An Edison Kinetoscope and a Cinématographe camera, made by the Lumière brothers in France, are the earliest commercially produced motion picture systems.
* An eighteenth-century camera obscura is the oldest item in the collection.
* One of two Giroux daguerreotype cameras in North America. Produced in 1839 for and signed by Daguerre, it is the world's first commercially manufactured camera.
* The Bemis daguerreotype camera outfit, built in 1840, is a key artifact in the early history of the process. The fitted wooden trunk containing all the equipment needed to make a full-plate daguerreotype was sold by François Gouraud, Daugerre's first sales agent in the United States, to a Boston dentist and jeweller, Samuel A. Bemis, on April 15, 1840, just six months after the process was announced. Bemis learned the process from François Gouraud. This outfit, complete with the original bill of sale, provides a unique link between France and America. It is one of the first camera outfits sold commercially in the United States.
* A lunar orbiter camera developed for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration
* Speed Graphic camera used by Joe Rosenthal for the 1945 photograph of the flag raising on Iwo Jima
* Cameras and equipment used by such people Ansel Adams, Eadweard Muybridge, Arnold Newman, Alfred Stieglitz, and Edward Weston
* The largest collection of French daguerreotype cameras; the most varied collection of daguerreotype cameras
* One of the largest collections of American cameras in the world



Materials

Noble Camera The technology collection is made up of more than 16,000 separate items including

* 4,100 cameras (still and motion picture)
* 700 projectors (still and motion picture)
* 400 viewers (hand-held mono and stereo)
* 900 lenses
* 1700 equipment (accessories)
* 700 dark room (enlargers, timers, trays)
* 1500 supplies (film and paper packaging)
* 1700 exposure measuring instruments
* More than 4,000 items in the Eastman Kodak Company Patent collection



Access

Access to the collection is by appointment Tuesday through Friday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.



Contact

Technology Curator, Todd Gustavson Ext. 369


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Brad Miller
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Good deal John. If no one bites on this thing in the next 2 weeks, it shall be donated to the GE house. [Cool]

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Nick Scott
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 - posted 01-31-2006 04:09 AM      Profile for Nick Scott   Author's Homepage   Email Nick Scott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi all
just a querey what is a CDS sound system ive never heard of them in australia before?
thanks..

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John Pytlak
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CDS was Cinema Digital Sound, the first theatre digital sound system that actually put the bits on the film (not double system). Kodak and Optical Radiation Corporation (ORC) developed it, and ORC made the hardware. Unfortunately, hardware reliability issues caused its demise, as it put the digital bits in the analog soundtrack area, so there was no analog backup if the hardware failed.

Although commercially unsuccessful, it paved the way for today's digital sound systems, and showed the viability of digital sound in theatres.

http://mkpe.com/articles/digital_cinema/misc/multichannel.php

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In 1990, the Optical Radiation Corporation in collaboration with the Eastman Kodak Company introduced the world’s first digital audio format for film. Called Cinema Digital Sound, or CDS, it was first introduced to the public with the 70mm release of Dick Tracy. Unfortunately, it only enjoyed a handful of releases before ORC pulled the format from the marketplace. CDS was a highly engineered technology, incorporating an error detection and correction scheme in the printed bit map to ensure robustness of the digital signal. The bit map itself was impressive. Thanks to the support of Eastman Kodak and specially developed film stock, the format boasted a very tiny pixel size, giving the format lots of digital bandwidth on the film. Audio was recorded without data compression, but instead of the commonly used 16-bit linear PCM scale, it used a custom 12-bit logarithmic scale that produced excellent sound with a 90 dB dynamic range. Despite its clever engineering, CDS suffered from a major shortcoming, that being that the actual recorded digital sound track for 35mm films was placed where the stereo optical track normally resides. In other words, there wasn’t a stereo optical track that could be used as a backup. CDS also suffered from playback equipment problems, which, combined with the absence of a backup track, turned the major filmmakers away from the format. Optical Radiation’s CDS format should be remembered as the pioneer for today’s digital film sound formats. They were the first to introduce digital audio to the theatre, and the first to implement a discrete version of today’s popular 5.1 technique in a major exhibition format. The impact of the 5.1 format has been tremendous. From an artistic point-of-view, discrete digital sound has been a real boon, as it frees the mixers from the limitations and hassle of mixing audio for the matrix. Full range and discrete surround channels have given the mixers the ability to use these channels much more freely. If one were to listen to the mixes of today and those of 10 years ago, the degree of artistic freedom that the digital formats offer will be obvious.

More formats were soon to follow.


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