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Author Topic: Video Editing Software Recommendations Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 04-18-2006 01:17 PM                     Has anybody seen Final Cut Express? The spec of it looks good for a low cost product, but it doesn't include DVD authoring. Previously you could buy DVD Studio Pro to go with it, but now that's not available on its own you have to use either Final Cut Pro or idvd. If you have Final Cut Pro then you might as well use that to edit, and idvd seems a rather low level of product to use with final Cut Express. Maybe Apple needs to include a mid-level DVD authoring program with Final Cut Express. Since I already have DVD Studio Pro I would seriously consider Final Cut Express if it wasn't for the fact that it is cheaper for me to buy the upgrade to Final Cut Pro.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-18-2006 02:00 PM                        Scott, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking since I only kind of half-read your post since I am lazy, but Final Cut Pro edits in 24p. If you shoot on film and transfer it that way you'll have no problem. FCP automatically adds the 3:2 pulldown upon playback on an NTSC monitor, but the pulldown is not visable on the timeline. Sound sync is fine and is what you make to to be.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-18-2006 03:45 PM                     More applications are adding 24p support. Final Cut Pro was the first affordable application to do it (I think). Premiere Pro supports 24p in SD and HD formats and imports edit list data to automate tasks. Version 2 is a big upgrade because it (finally) supports multicam editing and native HDV support.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 04-19-2006 09:30 AM                        i have messed around with many pc editing programs , all seem to have some good and bad points , pity they can't make a superb one from all the good points. One i settled for, easy of use but semi pro was Pinnacle 9, maybe not the best for PC but it gets the job done with good results. I also believe Canopus Raptor is quite good.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-19-2006 05:28 PM                        If I recall correctly, Mr. Brad Miller really had a fantastic time with his Canopus Raptor.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-20-2006 04:54 AM                     Yes indeed, what a fine, fine product that Canopus Raptor was! Then I bought a Mac.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-20-2006 08:22 AM                        quote: Bobby Henderson Others can scoff at Adobe if they like, but this new suite gets rid of every complaint I had with their last version... Like Paul, I use Premiere Pro 1.5 and a Matrox capture card, and think the package is very good value for what it does. This is mainly capturing from telecine, 1" C or UMatic, followed by very basic editing and output to Beta SP, DVCAM and/or DVD. It works fine, and the colour balance filter on Premiere Pro is excellent for correcting the dye fading on a nasty '60s Eastmancolor print or CRI. Just pull down the red gamma and it usually looks very reasonable. The whole package was around £800, which included the card, Premire Pro, Encore 1.5 (a lot more stable than Encore 1.0, which, even with the patches, is a bug-ridden liability) and Audition (Cool Edit Pro as was). I know that Macophiles who use FCP tend to sneer at Premiere, and I'd probably run up against its limitations pretty quickly if I was trying to do edit-intensive post production work on it: but for our purposes, it's a cost-effective and reliable solution.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Peters Expert Film Handler Posts: 179 From: Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia Registered: Nov 2002 posted 04-20-2006 09:21 AM                     hear! hear! (Australian parliamentary slang for I agree) I also use Premiere Pro 1.5 along with Matrox, good value. [ 04-20-2006, 10:10 PM: Message edited by: Matthew Peters ]  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-20-2006 01:00 PM                        quote: Matthew Peters here! here! (Australian parliamentary slang for I agree) Nah, that phrase is actually kind of common. Australians do like to say "you lot" and "mate", though. I think the "mate" is also said in the UK.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-23-2006 12:11 AM                    OK, so I just bought one of these, and this. Watching it install right now. Can't wait to give it a whirl! Thanks for the replies, everyone.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-23-2006 12:56 AM                     The Apple store says "your session has timed out after a period of inactivity." Instead of teasing us, Mark, what did you actually buy?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-23-2006 05:25 AM                        Probably a Mac desktop and Final Cut Studio. FCS can take up to an hour or more to install if you copy all of the fonts and soundsets and all that jizz.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-23-2006 10:10 AM                    Hahaha... whoops! Joe's right. An iMac 20", and Final Cut Studio. It did take just about an hour and a half at least to install everything - all 7 DVDs worth. Now I have to figure out where everything is in FCS, but so far it seems pretty logical. I've been working on a video of my girlfriend's dance recital. Once I finish it, the instructor is going to sell the DVDs to the kids' parents. It's taken me over two weeks to try to get something useful in the Pinnacle/AVID 10.5 piece of crap, and I finally gave up. Let's see how long it takes with Final Cut...  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 04-23-2006 08:26 PM                    Well, the 40 minute video is all cut together and flows nicely. The credits listing all the dancers, stage hands, etc. are done along with background music. I still have to overlay the music tracks for the individual dances on top of what was recorded in the auditorium because it sounds like crap right now. One of the things I ran into when trying to do that in Pinnacle was that the CD player used at the show and the one in my computer played at slightly different speeds. It looks like there's a real easy way to compensate for that in FCS, I just have to figure it out. So, here I am, after 12 hours with Final Cut, having never used it before, I'm at the exact same point that I was after two weeks with Pinnacle. Oh, and by the way.... Holy shit this thing has some really cool features! I'm way happy with this so far.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-23-2006 10:33 PM                        You had damned well better be! Don't forget to go into user preferences and set the levels of undo to at least 90. That way you can mess with stuff just to see what happens and undo yourself all the way back to before you messed it up! I also turn OFF auto save and auto render. Save often yourself. It's freakin' easy! Apple + S. Auto save is evil. And be sure to RENDER ALL before outputting to tape or whatever when you're done. Yeah. That's today's lesson.  |  IP: Logged

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