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Edwin Sheldon
Film Handler

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From: Mobile, AL, USA
Registered: Sep 2006

posted 04-05-2007 11:25 PM

The difference between Vista and your average Windows upgrade is that halfway through its development Microsoft realized it was a bloated, unmaintainable lump of crap and rewrote half the code. Fat lot of good it did them. [Big Grin]

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Mike Heenan
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From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 04-07-2007 10:42 PM

Bobby H posted

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I would like to get the new Adobe CS3 "Master Collection" suite (since I can get it for a significant discount by owning legal licenses for both CS2 Premium and Studio 8). But there's no way that massive suite will fit on the notebook I'm using. A brand new desktop machine with a ton of hard drive space would be in order. Hard drive space is definitely a major problem with notebook computers these days. I'm not buying a new desktop computer for at least another year or two. I'm spending too much money on stuff like D-SLR camera gear as it is right now!

My laptop has 240 gb of space on 2 hard drives and with external drives you can add another 500gb. That's quite a lot of porn to store. Probably by the time you're ready to upgrade Apple will have quad core notebooks and 8 core desktops.

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 04-08-2007 12:55 AM

Well, that's a problem Mike. Because Adobe and all the other companies from which I buy my graphics software would screw me over big time and force me to buy full, extreme costly versions of licenses I already own in order to run the same programs on a Mac with no discernible increase in speed.

The only way I am buying a Mac at all in the foreseeable future is if I need to run Final Cut Studio to get any work done. Until then, I am sticking with Windows.

If Adobe suddenly decides to make all its software Mac-only, then I'll buy a Mac. I'm a cheerleader for Adobe. I will not give a shit about Apple or Microsoft. Neither of them invented the desktop publishing revolution. Neither are leaders in graphics. Adobe IS on the other hand. And I can do just fine running their software on a icky Windows-based PC.

Also, how old is that notebook? Are you talking about something brand new?

I'm not exactly excited about having to run out and buy an entirely new computer, especially a Mac based laptop that costs a shitload of extra money above what you would pay for a PC -on top of the extra cost of having to buy all my software and FONTS THAT COST A FORTUNE all over again. Nuts to that! I'm going to do within the limits of what I can do using my still very good Dell notebook and its 7200rpm 60GB hard drive. If someone's software cannot run on that, then they get NO SALE FROM ME. Here's a clue to those software developers: CONSERVE DISC SPACE! Bloatware only sucks ass.

[ 04-08-2007, 01:58 AM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]

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Joe Redifer
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posted 04-08-2007 04:31 AM

Adobe will never go Mac only. I like Adobe for the most part, though I do wish they'd let me press Apple+H to hide the programs like Final Cut Studio does as well as most other proper Mac software. Anyway, I think it would be ideal if Adobe put both the Mac and Windows versions of their suite on the same install discs. Why not? That way it would be easier for cross-platform users, no matter if they go from PC to Mac or the other way around. No need for a different license just because you have a different format I wouldn't think. All programs that exist on both platforms should have bisexual install discs.

Also, why would you have to buy all of your fonts over again? If you have the original .ttf file (or whatever it is) just bring them over to the Mac with a network cable, double click and you're done.

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Mike Heenan
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From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA
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posted 04-08-2007 11:53 AM

The laptop i bought is about 2 months old (1.66ghz, 240gb hd, 256mb video, 2gb memory etc). You wouldn't have to buy a Mac at all, I was just using it as an example that their next line of systems are going to smoke any current desktop available now, I think. Issues like fonts and graphics I could care less about but I can see how it would be an issue for oyu in your business.

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Allison Parsons
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From: East Peoria, IL
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 04-08-2007 12:24 PM

Dumb question, but do Macs still have the one button mouse?

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 04-08-2007 12:51 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Anyway, I think it would be ideal if Adobe put both the Mac and Windows versions of their suite on the same install discs.

I absolutely agree. However Adobe/Macromedia still aren't playing nice in that regard. My copy of Macromedia Studio8 has both Mac and Windows versions on the same disc. But! They only make the license and activation good for only one platform. One you activate the license you're stuck on that platform and have to buy another license or at least an upgrade if you want to switch platforms. That sucks.

With both Mac and Windows running natively on Intel x86 code it would seem to at least be reasonably possible for companies like Adobe to come up with "universal" installers that work on both Mac and Windows platforms. If they would ease up on the licensing thing and make it easier for users to switch platforms and use whatever machines they want without buying all their software all over again the extra competition between hardware vendors and operating systems would encourage a greater degree of improvement.

quote: Mike Heenan
You wouldn't have to buy a Mac at all, I was just using it as an example that their next line of systems are going to smoke any current desktop available now, I think.

That's always true. It's kind of scary to think just how powerful desktop computers will be in just another year or two. By the end of 2008, 8-core CPUs will be commonly available.

I love the convenience and portability a notebook computer provides. I just don't want to run out and buy another one anytime soon. If my current notebook had something more on the order of a 200GB hard disc I would probably consider getting that Adobe Master Collection suite upgrade. But I'm just going to hold off on that until I buy another desktop computer.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 04-08-2007 01:24 PM

quote: Allison Parsons
Dumb question, but do Macs still have the one button mouse?

Kind of. They have a solid mouse with a tiny little ball on it. If you lift up your index finger, you can use your flip-off finger to right-click and it works the same as a two button mouse. But you have to lift that index finger up or it won't work. The little ball is for scrolling not only up and down, but left, right and diagonally. You can, of course, plug any USB two/three/ninety button mouse into a Mac and it will work the same as any other two/three/ninety button mouse does on the PC. I do not recommend using a PC keyboard on the Mac, though. The Mac has it's own special keys that sometimes don't remap, and when they do remap it is confusing as all hell.

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