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Topic: Kramer's "racist" rant
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Martin Brooks
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 900
From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-30-2006 09:40 PM
I haven't read every post, but my personal belief is that words are used in context and part of that context is who is making the comment and what the intent is. And frequently, it even matters whether it's funny or not, even though what's funny is subjective.
While I despise the fact that blacks brought back the word nigger (because it was pretty much dead before they did that), there is a difference when a black uses the word and when a white uses the word, just like there's a difference between someone telling a very disparaging joke about their own ethnic group and telling a similar joke about another. I can't believe that the majority here don't seem to think that context matters.
You can't seriously believe that there isn't a difference if I say to a black coworker, "hey nigger, come here" and if another black coworker said the same thing to him.
It didn't sound to me like Richards meant his comments to be funny. It sounds like he meant his comments to be hurtful in order to get the people to shut up. That doesn't necessarily make him a racist, but it might. In his defense, he apparently did something similar before, but to Jews, even though he's Jewish himself. That would make him obnoxious and unfunny, but not racist.
All comedians have had to deal with hecklers. The good ones learn how to do it with skill and grace. They do it in part, by winning the rest of the audience to their side. Richards apparently hasn't learned that and because he hasn't learned that, he's now going to pay a big price.
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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-02-2006 04:53 PM
What is interesting is that in my experiences Blacks are usually the instigators and then run for cover when they are retaliated against.
When I was in the USAF, I lived in the military barracks at what was Norton AFB, CA (now closed). People of both sexes and of multiple ethnic, religious and political backgrounds all lived in the dorms. The general atmosphere was "live and let live", and there were really no problems.
The exception was the Black community who generally LOVED to instigate trouble with EVERYONE, and when they were eventually retialliated against they would generally run for cover and go crying to the Social Actions office. Here is one example.
We had rules in the dorm about how to conduct yourself...these were basic rules that one would find in any appartment complex. But the Blacks always considered themselves immune to these rules. And if anyone complained or held the Blacks responsible then they would immediately cry "racial discrimination".
It finally came to a climax upon our return from Desert Storm when the Blacks pushed the Southern Good Ole Boys to the limit, and those Good Ole Boys finally let loose on the Blacks by tagging their rooms and property with KKK and Neo Nazi
grafitti.
Now, I served as the Jewish Lay Leader at Norton AFB and helped to calm the situation by arranging a base-wide tour, etc of the Museum of Tolerance in LA.
Ironically, the only anti-Semitism that I experienced while in the USAF was from Blacks. This included one of my First Sergeants, and I finally had the base Chapplin intervene and got this First Shirt straightened out.
One other sickening experience occured when I lived in Israel. While at Yad Vashem, there was a touring group of American kids, mostly Black from what appeared to be inner city America. Talk about disrespectful in the Hall of Rememberance!!! One of them took a skullcap, startted jabbering about what this crap was for, threw it on the ground and started to use it for "break-dancing"!! Yes, THIS REALLY HAPPENED!! There were a few people who confronted this kid, and he attempted to show what a bad-ass gangsta he was!
Bottom line, I am really sick and tired of these double standards that Blacks think they are entitled to. And it is really shameful about how the Black community in general disses on someone like Bill Cosby who has spoken out about what the Black community must do redeem itself.
K
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