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Mark J. Marshall
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Ultra-conservative upbringing? Where's the evidence of that? And what business is that of yours anyway? Although I see clear evidence of ultra-liberal brainwashing going on here. And this isn't the first case of it.

What's wrong with parents being upset about teachers who push this crap on their kids? Would gay parents be upset if the school started showing anti-gay movies to their kids? Of course they would. This discussion doesn't belong in pre-college level education institutions unless the parents all consent to it first, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together should know that.

I'm all for the grandparents punishing the school district monetarily for hiring someone who was so unbelievably stupid to step over the line of common sense on this issue. Who the hell would think that showing a movie that is pro-homosexual, or for that matter, an anti-homosexual movie, or ANY movie dealing with homo-sexuality - or ANY kind of sexuality - to a group of eighth graders is a good idea? Who the hell wakes up in the morning thinking, "I think I'll show an R-rated movie about two gay guys to my eighth grade class today"??? It seems to me that the substitute teacher is at the very least a complete moron, or at most a pervert, and should be fired and banned from ever working in a public school ever again.

The grandparents were right to sue the pants off of that school district. I think my definition of "traumatized" and some other peoples' definition of "traumatized" are two different things. I agree with the grandparents 110%.

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Joe Redifer
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quote:
I agree with the grandparents 110%.
So you're saying that although you agree with the grandparents, you feel that they should have gone further and/or sued for even more? Or you agree with the grandparents more than they agree with themselves?

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Will Kutler
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Agreed that this is an inappropriate film to show in class.

FYI, what they showed when I was in Jr. High School circa late 1970's early 1980's. Sex education was promoted as well as absenence. On one occasion a school assembly was called re: sex education. The film shown was of a girl getting her abortion...it was pretty damn graphic and bordered on porn. Not to mention the huge colord photo's/posters displayed all over the place of aborted fetuses, etc.

And this was a public jr. high school, part of Tucson Unified School District.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
The grandparents were right to sue the pants off of that school district.
I thought the removal of pants was what you were objecting to! [Big Grin]

Sorry; couldn't resist...

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Brad Miller
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quote: Will Kutler
The film shown was of a girl getting her abortion...it was pretty damn graphic and bordered on porn. Not to mention the huge colord photo's/posters displayed all over the place of aborted fetuses, etc.
That reminds me of those great driver's education films back in the day when they believed they could get people's attention by making them graphic.

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Mark J. Marshall
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Leo, As long as they don't do it in front of the kids, then that's fine. [Smile]

Joe, Sure. If they would have sued for $550,000, I'd be ok with that too.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Brad Miller
That reminds me of those great driver's education films back in the day when they believed they could get people's attention by making them graphic.
Ah yes, the classic "blood & guts" films.

You mean they don't show those anymore? No wonder the kids can't drive.

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Jack Ondracek
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I once had an attorney tell me that the justice system is not set up to accomplish goals by imposing a lot of moralistic conditions (yes, I know... they do it anyway). They accomplish their goals by the application of monetary penalties. Based on that, it seems reasonable that the expected leverage here would be financial. What amount is appropriate, I wouldn't know. That also seems to be spiraling out-of-control.

I'm in the boat with those who think this film should not have been shown. Being from a small community that didn't have the resources to let their schools get so diverse, I'm pretty narrow-minded about what I think parents should delegate.

Regarding the educational loophole that allowed the film to be legally presented: I wonder what that educational goal was. I don't recall seeing that in this thread. Aren't substitutes supposed to follow the regular teacher's lesson plan?... at least unless the sub has been in that class for a few days?

We were fortunate to be able to take our kids out of the public schools after their elementary grades. Having them in a setting where faculty accountability was in-place worked very well for us... and them.

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Cameron Glendinning
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quote: Jim Bedford
but it certainly isn't much worse than the Teletubbies and Barney those kids were probably brought up on.


Interesting Point, when it comes to kids shows, closeted homosexual references have been around forever. In Noddy, Big Ears use to share the same bed. Now thats a same sex couple! I also remember a character called Sea Man Sam and Master Baitman in another kids show. Let alone Bill and Ben the flowerpot men and their obsession with WEED!

Play school theme

Theres a bear in there
People with games, and stories to tell.
open wide, come inside!
Its Playschool!

When I was at school, when the 16mm projector broke down one wet sports day. I was sent to the local video shop to rent 4 movies to be played in the different video zones, ie science block, library, theatrette ect.
Metropolis, Roxanne, a Disney film and Rambo were my choice!

Umm Rambo was the most popular choice!!! And the parental complaints went all the way to Federal Parliament [Confused]

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Christopher Seo
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
Ultra-conservative upbringing? Where's the evidence of that? And what business is that of yours anyway?
It's no business of mine, for sure. I just find it fascinating that an eighth grader was traumatized and suffered psychological distress and required psychological treatment and counseling due to a movie which she would have found powerful and touching and heart-wrenching and soul-stirring, or at least merely boring, given a different set of parents. C'est la vie!

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Joel N. Weber II
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quote: John Hawkinson
But it does mean that they can legally rent a copy from Blockbuster (the copy was "lawfully made") and legally show it to students as part of teaching.
Somewhere, I've come across a claim that the situation is less clear if the video is rented, rather than owned by the teacher or the school, I think because the contract between Blockbuster and the renter may be able to prohibit this use. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read/heard that, and can't find anything easily on google at the moment.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Brad Miller
That reminds me of those great driver's education films back in the day when they believed they could get people's attention by making them graphic.
Yes! There was a whole cycle of them in the late '60s and '70s, and I have 16mm prints of a few. My favourite is a 1970s masterpiece entitled Candles for Katie. Scenario: Katie is at school while her parents are preparing a surprise birthday party. However, they're rowing like mad and on the verge of divorce. Dad drowns his sorrows in half a bottle of whisky, then drives drunk to the school to pick his daughter up. Katie runs out into the road just as Daddy is coming round the corner, but Daddy is pissed, doesn't stop in time and runs over his own daughter. Blood and guts all over the road (shown explicitly - nothing left to the imagination), screaming kids outside the school gate ... fade to black; the end. The teachers' guide that came with the film stated that it was suitable for showing to 8-12 year olds as a 'don't run in the road' film, or to adults for the anti-drink driving message.

Another gem is I'm Train Trained, about straying onto railway lines. Schools could also order 'I'm Train Trained' badges to give out to pupils after they'd seen the film. Kid #1 wanders onto a railway track as a dare, and just manages to get clear before a train comes. Kid #2 climbs over a fence and onto the line to retrieve his ball, and is electrocuted by the live rail. Kid #3 goes on to try and help his electrocuted friend, and is mown down by an express train. You then see a severed arm being removed from the line by an ambulance worker, and over footage of the double funeral the voiceover tells you to never, ever trespass on railway lines.

Another popular schools film genre was the 'don't go with strangers' film. The script was pretty much the same each time. The paedophile always had a beard, wore a horrific tie, drove a flashy car (this is 1970s, so think of Ford Cortinas out of The Professionals) and invited the victim to visit his home to see his kittens. He'd hang around outside the school gate and explain to his potential target that her parents had sent him to pick him up. Then there's some sort of subplot to explain how the parents found out what had happened and got the police involved, and the last scene usually involved screams coming from inside the flat just before the police bust the door down.

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Christopher Seo
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Aww, too bad I missed that era of educational films. Reminds me of an episode of "3rd Rock From the Sun" where, I think, the cop shows the class a drunk-driving film titled "The Bride Wore Asphalt".

So maybe, really, the substitute teacher was a well-meaning sort who just wanted to discourage her young charges from a life of deviant sexuality. But in a tragic twist à la "Clockwork Orange", the students actually come to fear repetitive guitar scores.

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Brad Miller
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Leo, you will get a kick out of this one.

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Pravin Ratnam
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It was a one time occurrence. Even if you side with the grandparents, how lame to sue the school. How can the school predict when a guy just shows a movie out of the blue? A reasonable compromise would be to get the school to promise them that their kid would need permission to watch any R movies.

Anyway, I have conservative relatives. And they don't get bent out of shape when their kids accidentally see a sex scene on cable. They are more concerned with them getting jaded over PG-13, light R material that is daily bombarded at them on basic cable channels and network tv during non-latenight hours. The kids can get jaded by that. But seeing something once , even if it's something extreme compared to their regular values, is not going to have a major effect on their psyche. Other than a snicker or confusion as to why Heath Ledger spits on his hand before doing Jake, I don't see the "innocent" kid really affected.

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