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Author Topic: Lawsuit over "Brokeback Mountain" screening at school Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-17-2007 02:33 PM                    Oh, I see, Christopher, so it's the parents' fault for not bringing her up so that she's properly prepared when some bone headed teacher wannabe decides to show an R rated movie in his eighth grade class instead of actually teaching algebra or history. If the parents weren't imparting conservative values on their little 12 year old girl, then she could have been subjected to an R rated movie containing scenes of gay sex, and it wouldn't have caused her psychological distress. So it must be the parents' fault. I'm curious, Christopher... what is the youngest age that you would consider showing this movie to? If not 12... 10? 8? 6? How early in life are you planning to prepare your children psychologically and emotionally for a movie that contains a scene of male on male sex?  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-17-2007 04:57 PM                        Brad: interesting. There's just one tinsy little flaw in the script of Boys Beware, though: if all paedophiles are gay, then presumably little girls have nothing to fear from going with strangers! Pity that this doesn't exactly square with reality (I wonder if Sid Davis ever saw M), but if a legend becomes fact, print the legend and all that. I guess the nearest British equivalent is the now infamous Say No to Strangers (Part 1 on YouTube ... Part 2 on YouTube) - the acting and direction were much better than I remembered it; must have been VERY scary to someone in the target age group. This is the last minute (the clip stops just before the end titles) from another schools classic. In the first scene, Jimmy gets his kite caught in overhead power lines, but has the good sense to leave it. In the second, he gets electrocuted (can't remember how; it's years since I've seen the whole film) but survives. Then he chucks his frisbee into the substation, at which point the YouTube clip starts and it's Kentucky Fried Jimmy time.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-17-2007 05:00 PM                     What if the movie had scenes implying heterosexual sex, would everyone be geting worked up as much about it? I haven't seen the movie nor do I intend to, but from what I hear it's nothing more graphic than what they can see on tv, be it hetero or homo love. This doesn't mean I think showing that film was right (like I said before one of my teachers showed us excalibur during class as "history")... but I highly doubt these kids will be fucked up for life having seen it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-17-2007 05:02 PM                        I'm beginning to think that Mark J. Marshall might be one of the grandparents!  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-17-2007 06:15 PM                     It was wrong to show the film to middle school students, but invoking the legal process in order to profit from the incident is worse.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-17-2007 07:39 PM                     quote: Mark J. Marshall So it must be the parents' fault. quote: Mark J. Marshall I'm curious, Christopher... what is the youngest age that you would consider showing this movie to? My view here is a little more intricate than you would like to think. Note that in my first post I expressed the opinion that the film should not have been shown to the class. Let the teacher be disciplined and the school board sued. Nor do I think the grandparents are at fault, per se, for raising the girl a certain way; but one cannot help observing cause and effect. Let them teach her whatever they wish about the exact nature of things, and then, let her make her way through a world far beyond their grasp, or yours or mine, for that matter.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-17-2007 07:59 PM                     I wonder if this "traumatized" girl's grandparents are on the MPAA rating board?  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-17-2007 11:11 PM                     I have been traumatized by the past few years of crappy, mediocre films that have come out of Hollwood. I wonder if I can sue for that? Anyone else notice a decline in good acting lately? Spiderman 3 had some really goofy scenes in it. What was that whole scene about with Mary Jane and Harry doing "The Twist"? I was embarrased for them. It just seems like so many films have poorly delivered lines anymore.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-18-2007 08:00 AM                    quote: Mike Heenan What if the movie had scenes implying heterosexual sex, would everyone be geting worked up as much about it? Yes. See my first post. My primary argument is with the fact that someone would think it was ok to show an R rated movie to a bunch of 12 year olds without their parents consent. My secondary complaint is about the content of the R rated movie that was chosen. quote: Nor do I think the grandparents are at fault, per se, for raising the girl a certain way; Sorry. I must have misunderstood this line in your first post... quote: Christopher Seo I would argue that the ultra-conservative upbringing was the primary trauma. Although you still haven't answered my questions. 1: What is the youngest age that you would consider showing this movie to? And 2: How early in life are you planning to prepare your children psychologically and emotionally for a movie that contains a scene of male on male sex? I'm not a grandparent yet Joe, but when I am one, if the public school system is still at least as pathetic as it is now, my grandchildren will be nowhere near it.  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 05-18-2007 08:10 AM                     It's too bad kids can't just be left alone to be kids anymore.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-18-2007 02:22 PM                     Firstly, Mark, I think you're taking my opinions far too seriously, although I am flattered. Secondly, I would argue that the apparently ultra-conservative upbringing was the primary trauma to the secondary trauma of seeing the movie, if, in fact, the girl really was traumatized. I understand your jump to the conclusion that because I labeled the upbringing "ultra-conservative" I would blame the parents, but again, I take a more intricate view than that. If I labeled the teacher "ultra-liberal", would that even things out? I'm willing to do so. Thirdly, I don't have to answer your questions. I told you that I agree the film should not have been shown to the eighth grade class, and I am not really in a position to develop a full statement on the child psychology of showing "Brokeback Mountain" to minors. I don't plan on showing the film to any children, or anyone, period, in case you're afraid that I'm another one of those ultra-liberal propagandists. And this is irrelevant to my above point.  |  IP: Logged R. Andrew Diercks Expert Film Handler Posts: 232 From: Marion, Iowa (In the middle of everywhere) Registered: May 2003 posted 05-18-2007 08:33 PM                     I would be PISSED if this was shown to my kids in middle school. That's not to say I wouldn't allow them to watch it with me. What gives any other adult the right to decide what R rated films my children see. At least I can direct any after movie discussion and answer questions in a way I feel appropriate. This teacher would not have shown this film without an agenda or lesson that he felt needed to be taught.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Mehocic Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 804 From: New Castle, PA, USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-19-2007 06:10 PM                     I know of a substitute teacher who was told never to come back when he showed Platoon to a history class while the regular teacher was home with the flu. That was back in 1990. Given what Hollywood has done since, I don't think that was all that bad.  |  IP: Logged Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-20-2007 10:40 PM                     What people do in their own bedrooms is their own business. Just don't try to force you private lifestyle on me! However, things do become public business if they adversely impact the safety and well-being of the greater public...or if public money (tax $$) is spent on...whatever. That being said, this film had no business being shown in a public school without parental permission. First, it is "R" rated and second it was, in many peoples views, promoting a lifestyle which is unacceptable to many. This past semester I was involved in a situation. We have a college faculty/administrative member who happens to be a lesbian. This individual was in the Student Union promoting "Comming Out Day"...I believe that is what it is called. Anyhow, as I was walking out of the Union I happened to pass this person, whom I know, and said hello and inquired about what her presentation booth was about...as she was packing up. She told me and I politely excused myself and started to walk away, telling her that I was not interested in this topic. This individual just went BALISTIC and atempted to start an altercation with me, accusing me of homophobia and racism! Gee whiz, I never made any type of anti-gay remark towards her, and yet she wanted to start a fight because I was not interested in her personal lifestyle!  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-21-2007 04:47 AM                        I tend to find that activists about any cause are more likely to go more ballistic if you're just not interested than if you actually oppose their views. It's a great way to wind 'em up! I once went on a date from hell I'll never forget. The lady in question was South African, and quite charming until, after a couple of glasses of wine, I asked what I thought was a perfectly innocent question - why did she move from South Africa to England? 'That shit Mandela, that's why!' was her response. It quickly became apparent that the extent of her hatred for the gentleman in question would make Hitler and Mussolini look like museli-munching lefties. Oddly enough, it seemed to make her even madder when I replied that I really didn't have any view one way or another as to whether or not Nelson Mandela should have been hanged, or that I was happy to take her word for it that Eugene Terreblanche Sings Ballads of the Boers was the best CD in the history of the music industry. I get the impression that these people actually want you to be shocked and outraged by their actions - it's part of their agenda, following the logic of 'no publicity is bad publicity', I guess.  |  IP: Logged

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