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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 06-25-2007 11:34 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Heenan? HEEEEEEENAAAAN! [Wink]

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Mike Williams
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 - posted 06-26-2007 01:22 AM      Profile for Mike Williams   Email Mike Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Bobby Henderson
I'd like to make another point. This is fundamentally a pro movie theaters forum. Anyone advocating movie piracy and regarding the criminals who upload movies on the Internet as heroes of sorts is working directly against the interests of many who participate here. Lots of movie theater employees and other people employed in the movie industry participate in this forum. Anyone wanting to promote piracy should not be surprised by all the flames he may get in response.

Bobby, I feel some of this comment is directed at me based on our discussion earlier in this thread. Let me be clear, I in no way advocate or idolize movie pirates. However, I am on the fence about D-Cinema as I am worried that there will be a hack at one point. I know this is something you and I disagree on.
I also know that if/when this happens the studios will change methods and most likely have a plan should that happen.

I see 2 forces that jeopardize the theater industry as we know it: Day and Date releases and digital cinema if somebody comes up with a way to copy/decrypt the files. These are things that I believe can directly effect the business.

I like the theater industry. Working for theater companies got me the career I have today. I want the industry to succeed but I am willing admit that the business might not be the same in 10 years.

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Joel N. Weber II
Complicated encryption systems can still have subtle flaws, and typically all a cracker has to do is find one such flaw and the rest of the system falls apart.
If I remember correctly, CSS failed because some manufacturer forgot to encrypt or otherwise protect its content decryption key, and someone found it. The encryption used on HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray DVDs is starting to fall apart because again, someone managed to find a decryption key.

These aren't examples of flaws in the encryption algorithm being exploited. These are examples of someone finding the key to the front door, and letting themselves in. Too often people make the mistake of thinking that just because something is encrypted, it's safe, but then they fail to protect the key that unlocks it.

I don't know what algorithm D-Cinema uses, but if it's an asymmetrical key algorithm, and the projector's private key is buried deep in the hardware where no one, including the manufacturer can get to it (which is what I would have done), then the encryption itself won't be broken any time soon.

Your best bet at cracking a movie from a D-Cinema projector with a laptop is to hook a web cam up to it and record it off the screen while it's playing. But then you're stuck with the watermarking pointing right back at you, so that's really no good either.

I don't see a D-Cinema hack happening any time soon if at all. It's way too impractical. I'm sure that won't stop folks from trying though.

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Christopher Meredith
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quote: David Stambaugh
quote: Christopher Meredith
Of course, in these contexts, the issue is fair use, not ease of copyright violation.
Of course! Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!
That's right, because everyone is a criminal, right? If I buy a DVD, I should only be allowed to watch it on a hardware player or in Windows or MacOS, right? And if I buy a song from iTunes, it's only logical that I would have no reason to want to listen to it on something other than iTunes? If the music/movie industries had their way, everything would be pay-per-use. We aren't consumers anymore, we're an ocean of renters.

Don't get me wrong, I wish "piracy" would have an adverse effect on the industry. Maybe in that case, studios would be ab it more selective on what they threw their money behind.

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Mike Blakesley
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I don't see the correlation between piracy and what the studios spend their money on.

They are catering to what people want to see. $300 million for Spider-Man = more Spider-man movies. If everyone stayed away from the sequels and remakes, and instead bought tickets to the original fare, there would be more original fare.

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Christopher Meredith
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What I mean is that if some event or series of events atually did cause the Hollywood studios to start losing money, or at the very least, stop making so much money so fast, they would necessarily have to be more selective. This of course does not mean fewer remakes, but I would think it would encourage the studio execs to be more intested in "quality control" since their dollar has to go further.

In the same vein, if film-making became less of a money-making enterprise, the in-it-for-the-money types would become more scarce and those doing it for the artistry would continue to do it. The same is true of musicians. The real "artists" will continue to make and produce music whether or not they get paid millions to do it.

All this being said, I think it's a moot point because "piracy" does not, and will not have this effect. The movie theater industry is, in effect, a value added reseller. Customers can get movies in a range of formats and the home theater is becoming increasingly hi-tech. The theater industry should take even half the zeal it pours into anti-piracy measures and instead work on ways to make the theater-going experience something worth getting off the couch for.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote: Jonathan M. Crist
Despite vocal opposition from the theatre owners as to day-and-date policies, the studios know that the theatre owners would not take an actual stand by refusing to run something as big as Transformers so it is great way to call the theatre owners bluff.
You'd be mistaken to think that, at least across the board. Anyone who controls even as little as a dozen screens would have no problem saying [sex] you Paramount, we're not running Transformers or, especially, any of the other crap you've got coming out this year. I see this every Monday over the pettiest things. There's more than one studio out there to buy product from and Paramount is certainly not oblivious to that.

The line that "the studios make us do stuff and we really don't have much control over anything" may be fun to tell to the customers and an easy way to dodge complaints, but you shouldn't believe it entirely yourself.

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Mike Blakesley
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Historically, the only studio that really has "that" much power has been Disney...after all, nobody ever says, "When's the next Universal movie coming out?"

But these days, there's so much product that I'm sure the exhibition industry would give a near-unanimous [fu] to any studio doing a day-and-date release of a major movie.

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John Wilson
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And they know that. That's more likely the reason they've never tried it than anything else.

Not that they're not thinking about it though and trying to come up with a way to do it...

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Mike Heenan
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Hey Mike, sorry I'm out in CA at the moment but here you go

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and for Uncle Phil

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John Wilson
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From www.showbizdata.com

BAY WATCH
Days before the opening of the latest Transformers movie, director Michael Bay posted an angry message on his blog, deriding producers Don Murphy and Tom DeSanto for allegedly attempting to take undeserved creative credit for the film. Although his message was later removed, it was apparently cached by Google and found its way to L.A. Weekly columnist Nikki Finke, who posted it on her website today (Thursday). In it, Bay writes that he had only one creative meeting with DeSanto a year ago, during which, he wrote, "I realized he was worlds apart in my vision. I said, 'Thank you very much,' and then showed him my office door. I never really spoke to him again other than to mutter, 'Hello.'" Bay says that although he never had conversations with Murphy, he did read notes from him "kind of trashing the script and making me and the writers feel like a big s*** pile." Bay also accused DeSanto of attempting to get a writer's credit on the film and discussing the film with interviewers at an awards dinner as if he had seen the completed film. "Give me a break," Bay wrote. "The guy was lying through his teeth. He had seen nada, nothing, until the press screening."

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