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Joshua Waaland
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I used to work on cars out of necessity when I worked at a theater and made poor man's wages. For the cost of an oil change in today's world it isn't worth the hassle of disposing of the used oil and what not.

I am very mechanically inclined but never had much interest in cars. I would always try fixing one problem only to break three other things because they were rusted and would not come off the car to get to the original broken part. Oh, and I hated busting my knuckles all the frickin time. With the invention of Mechanix gloves I bet that would be much better now.

If I buy a car and I drive it for say....8-10 years, after that it's worth about nothing and full of rust and worn out parts. I can buy a precision machined projector for 1/4 the cost and run it day in and day out, and 50 years from now if I take care of it, it will still be in great shape. I would much rather invest my time and money in something that will last a lot longer and cost me a hell of a lot less.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Here in Utah there are lots of old cars still running. I saw a Chevy Vega Wagon yesterday that actually didn't have any rust on it at all, anmd it wasn't bel;ching a cloud of smoke behind it..., was probably on its 12th engine or so. The problem here is that cars last so long that the supply of parts to keep em running hits bottom.

On my cars the Land Rover got a new Tranny last January... considering I beat the tar out of it off road and it's British I guess thats not too bad and they replaced it with a brand new unit anyway. The Hummer has been zero problem at all. It just runs and runs and ya can't kill it. I figure these may be my last SUV's ever so at least the Hummer has to hit the 5 year mark.

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Chad Souder
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
On my cars the Land Rover got a new Tranny last January... considering I beat the tar out of it off road and it's British I guess thats not too bad and they replaced it with a brand new unit anyway.
Didn't Land Rover just get bought by a company in India or Africa or something? I wonder if that will make parts harder to come by.

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Marc Hansen
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Tata Motors of India a huge conglomerate in Asia & Europe part of the Tata Group. They bought it to get the North American dealership network. They have a new ultra cheap economy car they want to sell here. They also bought Jaguar. The Tata Nano is rumored to be in the 2000 to 4000 dollar range. Since they intend to keep and expand the dealer network parts availability should be no problem.
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Charles Greenlee
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Heh, my car is normally pretty sweet, getting 37.5MPG City. Plain old gas, no hybrid, no e-85, etc. Especially with the latest gas hikes the past few days. However, I feel it may cost me a little bit. When I go to start it, I turn the key, the starter soleniod fires to engage the pinion, but the motor doesn't turn. There's not even a groan or an attempt to turn the engine. I can do the a few times and eventually it'll run happily starting the engine. But over the past few days, it's becoming more difficult and have had to use the advantage of an incline to effectively push start it. I'm thinking that the motor in the starter itself is fine, but whatever switch closes to enable to run, which apparently only engages after the pinion is engaged so as to not grind it, is getting flaky. I'm thinking that pretty much equates to a new starter anyhoe. I don't think I can replace just that switch. Damn fool cars. Maybe I need to break out my bike.

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Bruce McGee
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Phil: [Big Grin] [evil]

Charles: Replace the starter drive overrunning clutch on your current starter motor. Its also known as a 'starter bendix'

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Charles Greenlee
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Probably nearly as expensive, and as much a pain, just to replace the whole darned thing. However, I'll look into it for sure if it'll save me a few bucks.

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Robert E. Allen
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Early on in my driving career I had a number of cars with manual transmissions. Then in 1954 Chevrolet came out with a "Powerglide" automatic transmission. I bought one and every vehicle I've owned since then has had automatic transmissions. So, no clutch problems. I don't understand the popularity of stick shifts with young drivers unless they like to imagine they're in the Indy 500 or want to make their pipes bang louder.

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John Walsh
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Stick-shifts are great! You get total control of your 'go-power.' There's nothing like dropping it down a gear and blasting down the highway or powering around a curve. Although I admit having a stick in a small car usually is just extra work for no fun ... I do like a manual transmission in an SUV for off road, as you can control your speed much easier. But the wife can't drive a stick, so my current SUV is auto.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Marc Hansen
They bought it to get the North American dealership network.
I can certainly say they didn't get much! The LR dealers in the States outright suck. Few LR owners that have out of warranty LR's actually get them worked on at a LR dealer... their mechanics are assembly replacers not mechanics actually capable of any real repair job... If your tranny goes they replace the whole tranny, if the engine goes they replace the whole engine, same for the differential... I believe that Jaguar is run more or less the same way. Tata will have to train them to become real mechanics if they want to suceed here. Most LR owners go to local (real) mechanics that specialize in LR's. Many of these mechanics used to work for LR and have left and opened up their own garages because they found LR Service to be so dismal... there are at least half dozen of them around Utah. LR and probably Jaguar have lost thousands of loyal customers because the the sour service.

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John Walsh
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Funny you should say that about LR dealers, Mark ... I was talking to a friend about this few days ago. I agree with you completely! I'm doing exacty what you mentioned. The car are OK, it's the dealers who don't gave a damn. I was going to a dealer who was doing great service, until I came in one day and the head of the service dept and the lead mechanic were gone. I assumed he was actually doing the work, but wasn't making the service dept the 'profit center' the owner wanted it to be. After catching the new service head in a few out-and-out lies, (I guess he thinks no one has a copy of the service data (RAVE) I went elsewhere.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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You may find that the Service Manager and Lead mechanic started their own LR repair facility nearby... its very common. Also if you need any parts for your LR call DAP Enterprises in Springfield Vermont... 802-885-6660. Ask for Steve. When my tranny died Steve got me a brand new in the crate tranny right out of LR's US warehouse. Best thing was the price... about $1800.00, the dealers in this area all quoted me $5600.00! I just had a local tranny shop install it for me and turns out I coulda done it myself as there is nothing to adjust, it even came with a gallon of new fluid... special just for that tranny... its also all electronic... and you don't have to drop the entire engine to get it out. Steve's guys has been servicing LR's since the mid 70's and you're not that far away if a major problem arises.

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Marc Hansen
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
their mechanics are assembly replacers not mechanics actually capable of any real repair job... If your tranny goes they replace the whole tranny, if the engine goes they replace the whole engine, same for the differential...
Exactly right Mark, I own an automotive machine shop and my customer base includes 11 new car dealerships and none of them have real mechanics anymore, just parts replacers. 20 years ago they would each average 2000 - 4000 a month with me, now a BIG month is 200. Any really good mechanic has gotten fed up and went out on his own. We still get the work, just not from the dealers. Since I have full access to the dealer shops I have seen things being done that would scare the HELL out of you.

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Charles Greenlee
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Well, now the start's working like a champ. It goes to show you kids, if you ignore a problem for long enough, it'll resolve itself. [Big Grin] Ok, ok. So the problem's not actually fixed, but I do feel better that it can wait till my next day off (Fri) so I'll have time to check it out fully, and hopefully fix it.

quote: Robert E. Allen
I don't understand the popularity of stick shifts
With me, it's the additional element of control. Even if I achieve no real practical benefit, it makes me feel more in control. I've driven both. I'm so used to the manual now, the shifting is nearly transparent. It kinda shifts itself it seems, though I am aware of the process, if that makes much sense. Now on to the practical parts. They're cheaper to buy than automatics, and cheaper to fix. Also, if the driver's not a leadfoot, a manual can get better mileage than it's automatic counterpart. And I'm sure someone else could point out a few other things, but that's about all I got.

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Most LR owners go to local (real) mechanics that specialize in LR's.
We had one of those that was right around the corner. Did other cars as well, but 90% was the Rovers. Pretty decent mechanic from what I'm told. Too bad he closed down and is now out of business.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Robert E. Allen
I don't understand the popularity of stick shifts with young drivers
I learned stick when I was 8 yrs old driving a small IH FARMALL Model A tractor (right hand drive with dual brakes and clutch with a tranny that wasn't syncronized) on our small farm pulling a one bottom plow, hay rake, or cultivator...along with just having fun driving it.

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My 80 yr old mother will not drive automatic either-she hates them-and when she bought her new KIA Spectra in 2006, she thought about automatic, but chose the manual.

Yet, when doing Driver's ED in high school, all we had was automatic cars. Yet, when I started to drive, it was standards to where I 'forgot' how to drive automatic one day due to the habit of hitting the clutch pedal and hitting the break pedal instead and always sending myself into the steering wheel.

Auto trannies are more of PITA to me since it's such a complicated tranny compared to the manual tranny since there are so many small parts inside of them that can easilly fail - keeping an eye on the fluid levels (both in tranny and radiator for if you have a boilover, tranny suffers also since the fluid runs through the radiator and heat kills auto trannies in a quick), along with some domestic manufacturers just can't build auto trannies to last as long as a good ol manual tranny with auto tranny repair robs your life savings.

But, in all due actuality, the main reason I like manuals is that I have full control of the car. I let off the gas, the motor acts like a brake, suddenly slowing me down along with my downshifting until I need to touch the brake. You let off the gas with an auto, all you do is just coast until you have to do the brakes. Also, why there are more brake jobs needed with auto cars than with manual cars..if the driver does the above.

Granted, with auto trannies, there is no break in the power stream when it's shifting, but the down side is that there isn's the 100% transfer of power between engine and the wheels since the fluid is in between the two, whereas the clutch disks are ensuring the 100% transfer of power to the wheels - why the MPG on a manual is higher than the auto version.

So, I also support what Charles also said .. "the control thing with driving manuals" with my choice of vehicles also.

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