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Author Topic: New rock band "CHICKENFOOOT" Dennis Benjamin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1445 From: Denton, MD Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-23-2009 01:08 PM                        I SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS LIST: Steve Vai is not listed. I know now why I do not read this piece of trash magazine. They snubbed both Steve Vai and his teacher Joe Satriani. They should have been SOMEWHERE on the list. Whatever......  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-23-2009 01:29 PM                     I guess the mention of Kirk Hammett of Metallica is supposed to make up for that. Kirk Hammett took lessons from Joe Satriani in the early 1980s. Steve Vai studied with Satriani, but I think picked up some of his creativity during his years playing in Frank Zappa's band.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-23-2009 02:03 PM                        The list also leaves out Fleetwood Mac's Lindsey Buckingham. He can play rings around just about anybody and his style is unmistakable. You have to keep in mind that these lists are usually voted on by musicians + RS editors, or else they are created with online polls and other such methods. Then you have to add in "personal opinion of the editors" criteria -- for example if I had any power at Rolling Stone, I would never put Hendrix at the top of the list because I can barely stand listening to him. Then keep in mind that RS is read by people under 30, most of whom have never heard of Chet Atkins let alone enjoy that type of pickin', etc. In other words there's no way in the world they can make a definitive list unless they just make an alphabetical list of every guitar player who ever lived.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-23-2009 03:26 PM                     In the end Rolling Stone is really no authority at all in terms of rating guitar players. I think long established magazines like Guitar World would do a better job, even with the real risk any "best guitarists" list would be heavily dominated by hard rock/metal players. Speaking of metal, there's another guitar player Rolling Stone should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for overlooking in their so-called best guitarists list: Darrell Lance Abbott, also known as "Dimebag Darrell," of 1990s metal band Pantera. That Dallas-based band played numerous times here in Lawton in their up and coming days. In 2004, Dimebag Darrell was shot to death while playing a concert with his then new band, Damageplan. Some dip shit angry about the breakup of Pantera decided to take it out on the guitar hero. The gunman was killed by a police officer who later arrived on the scene. Guitarists Zack Wilde and Edward Van Halen were among the many who attended Dimebag's funeral. Reportedly Edward Van Halen had one of his prized guitars (the one on the cover of Van Halen II) buried with Dimebag Darrell because the Pantera guitarist was a big Van Halen fan and had always wanted a Charvel "Frankenstrat" just like it.  |  IP: Logged Chad Souder Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 962 From: Waterloo, IA, USA Registered: Feb 2000 posted 06-24-2009 03:05 AM                     I think the problem is the article being titled as it is, it implies the 100 most talented or able guitar players. I don't know the best way to reword it, but if you take composition and originality into account, I think the list appears a lot better. Especially composition. There is something to be said for a Hammett solo that makes you want to turn it up and play air guitar versus someone who may be technically superior, but just doesn't know how to compose something that sounds good. Take Cobain's intro to Smells Like Teen Spirit. It doesn't sound that difficult to play, yet it is one of the most famous intros of all time, defining an entire genre. Everyone will find a few they disagree with, but in reality if you squabble over 5 or 10 percent that's not so many. They could do a list of 100 most talented guitar players, then 100 most creative/unique, then 100 most influential, and so on, but that's a lot of lists and it would grow boring.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-24-2009 11:52 AM                     Cobain's intro to Smell's Like Teen Spirit stands out only because of the intense popularity of the song. It has nothing to do with his playing skills, phrasing, etc. Come As You Are is another one off the Nevermind album that has an iconoclastic opening riff. Such "best" lists on guitar playing, movies or anything creative can only ever be subjective. Using a guitar to play music is a creative art (or craft). It is not a sport where someone can keep score. Still, proficiency with the instrument is a big deal. There's a lot of guys on the RR top 100 list that I would likely include in a list of "favorite guitar players." There's others, like Jack White or Joan Jett, that I would not include. They still make some cool music, but their guitar playing simply is not impressive.  |  IP: Logged Chad Souder Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 962 From: Waterloo, IA, USA Registered: Feb 2000 posted 06-24-2009 05:13 PM                     My point was simply that the list is titled "greatest" not "best." Greatness carries a whole lot more along with it than just ability to execute a certain skill set, in my opinion. On the supergroup thing again real quickly, though, I hope we can all agree the #1 supergroup of all was the Traveling Wilburys. How cool would it have been to be a fly on the wall around those guys.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-24-2009 05:34 PM                     quote: Chad Souder My point was simply that the list is titled "greatest" not "best." Can you say "semantics"?  |  IP: Logged Chad Souder Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 962 From: Waterloo, IA, USA Registered: Feb 2000 posted 06-25-2009 09:39 AM                     Yes. That's the whole point of language. Different words mean different things. Otherwise there wouldn't be different words.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-25-2009 10:37 AM                     Except your definition of "great" and "greatest" versus "good" and "best" is entirely arbitrary. There's no reason that being the best guitarist means only that they are the most technically proficient and there's no reason that being great has to focus almost entirely on song-writing/influence.  |  IP: Logged

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