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Mitchell Dvoskin
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  • 1. Talkies. While sound movies were inevitable with the advance of technology, introducing it in 1927 put movies at the forefront of entertainment for decades.
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  • 2. Xenon Bulbs. While we can argue forever about platters, big reels, automated changeovers, multiplexes, etc, but without xenon none of this would be possible. They transformed the entire exhibition industry.
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  • 3. Home Video. I include in this DVD's, Internet Downloads, HD, etc. For the first time, the public could watch whatever movie they wanted whenever they wanted, both by owning and renting. As a result of the home video revolution, theatrical exhibition eventually ceased to be at the cutting edge of picture and sound presentation, but relegated to catch up. It also allowed anyone with a desire and a moderate amount of money to set up a home theater to rival the commercial operations.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Steve Guttag
I can have every bit as large a multiplex with changeovers as anyone with platters with as few or fewer operators to run it. In fact, I can set it up with even fewer operators.
The use of self-rewiding Kinotons is not only cheating for this discussion (they didn't exist back when multiplexes were created), but they are prohibitively expensive. Even changeovers in general with run-of-the-mill equipment are overly expensive. Rather than buying one projector, lamphouse, rectifier...and then buying it all over, the second set is simply replaced with a relatively inexpensive platter.

Your way also doesn't make economical sense. I get that during the latter half of the movie the first half could be re-threaded so no staff would be needed in the booth when the movie started...but that is the ONLY benefit. Every other aspect of the operation wins with the platter.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, platters. You know you love them. [thumbsup]

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> The use of self-rewiding Kinotons is not only cheating for this discussion (they didn't exist back when multiplexes were created)

But self rewinding EPRAD SWORD/SABRE systems using Simplex heads did exist. How well they worked is debatable, but they were available at the time.

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Scott Norwood
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Platter or not, I do wish that every multiplex would have two projectors for the largest screen and, ideally, changever capability on a mid-size and small screen as well. It would provide redundancy (assuming that the platter could feed either machine) and would save significant labor costs for screenings and rentals. With two changeover screens, it would even be possible to do a manual version of Brad's delayed interlock if needed.

I'm really surprised that the two-machines-with-platter combination is not more popular, since is by far the most flexible arrangement.

Back to the original topic:

I'm amazed that no one else voted for television. This is what marked the shift from out-of-home entertainment (for which there would normally be an admission charge) to in-home entertainment (which is free, after the initial purchase of a set). It spawned 70mm, Cinerama, Cinemascope, VistaVision, multichannel sound, and a general improvement in theatrical exhibition quality. It also provided the basis for movies on videotape and DVD.

On a more positive note, I would also include the continual improvement in sound quality for theatrical presentations. The "average" cinema in 2010 will provide demonstrably better sound quality than the "average" cinema in 1985, which would be demonstrably better than the "average" cinema in 1970. Sure, we don't have large releases in 6-track mag in 2010, and I am fairly sure that the very best systems in the past would surpass what is typically installed now, but incremental improvements in sound quality have helped cinemas to distinguish themselves from the average home viewing environment, with tinny TV speakers or, at most, bookshelf stereo speakers.

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Steve Guttag
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Brad...rewinding Kinotons go back long before the E projectors...they were around during the platter boom. Look up "Kinoton Cross" .

Two projectors is cheaper than DCinema and with self rewinding projectors (that do go back to when platters went haywire)...labor costs are inherently less...at some point, they pay for themselves. You can't just hand wave and dismiss rock-n-roll projectors...and, btw, even now they are not too expensive. The rewind function on a standard E Kinoton is not that pricey and you don't have to have a studio projector for that feature.

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quote:
2. Xenon Bulbs. While we can argue forever about platters, big reels, automated changeovers, multiplexes, etc, but without xenon none of this would be possible. They transformed the entire exhibition industry.
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It also wouldn't have been possible without the introduction of Safety film, which also enabled the use of film in many places other than cinemas; mainly for education and training purposes.

Safety film goes back a long time, at least to 1912, but reasonably tough triacetate stock was introduced not long before the start of the 3-D boom of the early '50s, which is fortunate, because most cinemas ran those films on 6k reels on just two machines; only a handful ran them on 2k reels on four machines.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
But self rewinding EPRAD SWORD/SABRE systems using Simplex heads did exist.
I don't think I would trust a projector called a "Sword". A splicer, maybe. But a projector, definitely not.

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Martin McCaffery
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Though I dread to disagree with Steve, the question is what had an impact, not what could have been done. The platter, was the cheap easy way to multiplex, so it is what had the impact, not the self rewinding projector.

And for the record, I think it was, overall, a negative impact. Even though platters can be done right, I'm convinced the majority of them are not.

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Joe Redifer
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The majority of platters aren't even designed very well.

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Steve Guttag
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Actually, you are right Martin and Joe is right too...most platters are not designed very well. They are designed for cheap with their MUTs designed for cheaper.

While the potential for platters is uniformity...the results have most definitely been a "negative impact" resulting in inferior shows (by and large) and the overall cheapening of the cinema experience. With rare exception, platters were/have not been used to improve the cinema experience.

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One could make the argument that the greatest impact on the movie business is popcorn, seeing as how the business has gotten so increasingly ass-backwards anymore that the snack bar is the only real revenue source.

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Gordon McLeod
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Cinemecanica offered the reversing vic 8 back in the early 70's as well the vic 5 and vic was available with a rewind up the front mode as was the simplex with the slim jim bases

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quote: Joshua Waaland
Why are so many of these companies so cheap? They obviously have the money to build these new multiplexes with all the granduer of an old movie house and then some.
Josh: You answered your own question right there.

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Ian Parfrey
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Sam makes a great point there.

Ultimately, if the exhib can't make a profit then no amount of technical whizzbangery will save them...and that's where the popcorn comes in.

Low outgoings + high profit margin = Happy Exhibitor.

Good call Sam. [thumbsup]

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Geoff Jones
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Maybe add "worldwide distribution" to the list? It probably doesn't belong at #1, but I think it's had a big impact on dumbing down and genericizing the product.

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