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Christos Mitsakis
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Raiders of the Lost Ark: The deleted scene Arab swordsman

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Michael Coate
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Regarding the Indy vs. swordsman fight scene, stuntman Vic Armstrong has a different take:

Raiders of the Lost Ark: 30 years later, a stuntman's memories

quote: Vic Armstrong
In “Raiders” there’s that famous scene where Indy meets this hulking great Arab swordsman and simply shoots him dead. Originally there was an elaborate fight sequence planned and a stunt team went up to the coast for two weeks working it out. They really drew the easy ticket – we heard all this talk about fabulous beaches and topless tourists, and there we were stuck down in bloody Nefta with the dysentery mob. When the main crew finished with us they flew up to the coast to join Peter Diamond, who showed Steven the fight routine. Big Terry Richards played the Arab and he swished his sword about and then the fight carried on through the whole of the Casbah.

Steven watched and said, “Look, I’m going to shoot whatever I can until three o’clock because then I’m getting out of here.” Peter Diamond was dumbstruck: “You can’t do that, it’s gonna take four days to film this fight. It’s a huge fight and the guys have been rehearsing it for weeks.’ Steven said, ‘I’ve got a plane coming at three, I’m out of here, I’ve got enough, I don’t need any more here.’ Tomblin butted in, ‘For Christ’s sake Steven, you’ve got to do this.’ But Steven was standing firm, “No, I’m out at three.” Tomblin said, “Well, it’s stupid doing this whole routine, you might as well just shoot the guy with a gun.” “Don’t be facetious Dave.” Then Steven paused. “I’ll tell you what, let’s try that. Yes, let’s try just shooting him.” And the rest is history.

And...

quote: "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones: The Definitive Story Behind All Four Films" (Laurent Bouzereau & J.W. Rinzler, Ballantine, 2008)
Spielberg and Lucas had one ongoing discussion about how a particular scene should play. The final decision came late on May 9, 1981, but the story, told by [co-executive producer] Howard Kazanjian, begins with the first cut:

"So Steven Spielberg brings the film up for us to see. He's cut the film and George and I are looking at the film, and the version Steven has shown us is the one where Harrison takes out his gun and shoots the Arab. The lights come on and it's quiet for a minute, and then George's comment is something like, 'Very good. It works. But what happened to the scene where Harrison fights the Arab?' And Steven says, 'Well, I thought this worked better, this is funnier.' George says, 'I don't know.' Now, Steven goes back to Hollywood and leaves his editor, Michael Kahn, for George to do his version. Two weeks later, Steven comes back up and sees George's version.

"So we look at the film and in this version we have the full fight. Lights come back up and Steven says, 'Boy, you really tightened up the film.' Dead quiet. 'I like it. But, George, I think it works best with Harrison shooting the Arab.' And George says, 'Well, we're gonna test it with an audience. We'll test it two ways.'

"And what George has always done with his films is to test-screen them when they're finished, usually down at the Northpoint Theatre in San Francisco. He just gets different classifications of people into the theater, older people and whatnot, and then you get a reaction from them. Well, when we ran Raiders, we ran the Spielberg version of Harrison shooting the Arab - and the audience went crazy. It was the biggest laugh in the movie. George says, 'Well, I guess that works.' And that's the story of how Indiana Jones shoots the guy instead of fighting him."


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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Although the Royal Theatre in the Waikiki district of Honolulu was a 70mm equipped, theatre, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK played only in 35mm Dolby Stereo there. Royal Amusement Company who had operated that theatre had exclusive first run right to Paramount pictures in Hawaii but by the time the 2nd Indiana Jones movie was released, Consolidated once again became the exclusive exhibitor of Pasramount films and played INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM in 70mm at the Cinerama. The 3rd film , INDIANA JONES & THE LAST CRUSADE was aslso shown in 70mm in Honolulu at Waikiki #1 (Twins)

The Royal was a beautiful theatre and I always enjoyed going there and the way films were exhibited there was flawless.

-Claude

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John Wilson
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They brought a 7Omm of 'Crusade' all the way down here too...for one screening. It premiered at Sydney's State Theatre then was sent back to the USA. [Roll Eyes]

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Sam D. Chavez
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I did the research tech screenings on this at the Northpoint in SF and other locations and well remember the explosive laughter of the moment.

That classic Harrison Ford look of annoyance was priceless.

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Manny Knowles
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Who's telling the stories in those quotes?

Until I actually *see* a version with the sword fight, I have no reason to suddenly disbelieve the long-standing story (attributed to Spielberg) that Harrison was simply sick that day, and they wanted to stay on-schedule.

I'm not inclined to believe a stunt man versus Spielberg.

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Michael Coate
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Seriously, Manny??? You're confused?

I'm already annoyed/disappointed that very few of you are commenting on the article I posted, and now, Manny, you come along and makes matters worse by acting all confused about another posting of mine that should've been perfectly clear. As well, you ignore another member's posting that offered evidence of the existence of footage of the swordfight in question. Whatever.

I made the effort to identify who was being quoted. Granted, there are quotes within quotes, which might be confusing if the reader is multitasking or drifting their focus while reading (but if readers do those things then they deserve to be confused).

As for whether or not any swordfight footage was shot, note that Christos Mitsakis' comment from 6/15 links you to a clip. A brief clip also appears in one of the documentaries, proving that at least one take of the scripted fight was shot, which in turn suggests that everyone telling these stories is mis-recollecting or at the least selectively recalling what really happened.

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Victor Liorentas
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Sorry Michael! I love all your stuff going way back to Widescreen Review!

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Manny Knowles
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That clip does not prove that the whole scene got filmed. It only proves that they got some of the shots. A few of them.

But it's not worth arguing over.

I'm sorry if I don't appear to be giving it the level of interest that you deem appropriate. I don't have a great deal of time to devote to this, but I like the movie so I thought I'd participate to the extent that I could.

Rather than have this "celebration" turn into some kind of "flame war" -- and have it get blamed on me [Eek!] -- I think I will just stop right here.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I first watched Raiders of the Lost Ark during its original release at a theater in New Orleans. I forget the name of the place; it was near Oakwood Mall on the West Bank not far from where my family lived in Gretna.
I'm not sure if you gave my list a look, but the theater you're thinking of was probably the Oakwood Cinema I-II-III-IV (operated at the time by GCC). Raiders played first-run at two other area theaters, but this likely is the one given the location you described.

quote: Bobby Henderson
I don't know if any movie theaters in New Orleans showed Raiders in 70mm. I didn't know enough about the tech side of theaters and film prints at that time to search for theaters that did show it in 70mm.
One of the New Orleans area venues that played Raiders -- the Robert E. Lee -- was equipped for 70mm, but I found no evidence they ever ran a 70 of Raiders.

quote: Robert Throop
I'm certain that Sangertown didn't have any Dolby processors at this point. They had Eprad Starlets and advertised Dolby.
I listed the stereo presentations of Raiders as "Dolby Stereo" regardless of which brand/model of processor a theater used. After all, the movie was... "Recorded in Dolby Stereo." Anyway, I'm sure you're right about Sangertown having Eprad as the theater is not included on Dolby's installation lists from that timeframe.

On a related note, I never came across any Raiders ads that actually promoted Eprad, though, to my surprise, I did find one that advertised "Kintek Cinesonics Sound." (Who knew Kintek used such wording or even had a logo?)

Some other disclaimers about the list I ought to mention include noting that many of the 70mm presentations actually began after opening day. The 70mm prints that played in Philadelphia, San Diego, Denver, Salt Lake City, Paramus, Cincinnati, etc., weren't delivered in time for the opening; they upgraded sometime during the first few weeks. As well, numerous theaters received multiple prints for showing the movie in multiple auditoriums/screens. This is one reason the list is shorter than the actual number of bookings that Paramount reported. Another reason the list is short is because some engagements have simply not been accounted for.

quote: Victor Liorentas
Sorry Michael! I love all your stuff going way back to Widescreen Review!
Thank you, but you guys don't need to kiss my ass. It's nice, of course, but in a way makes me uncomfortable. I think too often people mistakenly assume I'm fishing for compliments. What I had asked for earlier were comments, not compliments, meaning whatever crossed your mind as you read the thing. I thought I'd at least get Richard Hamilton to chime in and mention the article was too long. [Razz]

And, lastly, on the subject of the shooting of the swordsman thing, I just want to mention that at last week's 30th anniversary event at the Academy, during the intro to the screening, the host mentioned how the movie's most popular scene had been improvised and that "200 people took credit for it"!

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Mike Blakesley
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Well...it IS awful long, which is why I haven't read it yet. [Big Grin] Gotta wait until I have the time. I probably check Film-Tech about five times a day but I rarely have more than about 2 minutes at a time to read stuff.

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John Wilson
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quote:
at last week's 30th anniversary event at the Academy, during the intro to the screening, the host mentioned how the movie's most popular scene had been improvised and that "200 people took credit for it"!
[thumbsup]

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Jonathan Goeldner
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in regards to the supposed 2012 bluray release of the four films, avs.com recently noted:

"Frank Marshall, the producer of all 4 films, was on "Geek Time" yesterday. He said the transfers for the blu-rays are done and approved by Spielberg with modifications. All he said was changed was the brightness during the jungle chase at the beginning of the film. Spielberg felt it was too dark. He gave no release date but having the blu-rays done and approved I'm betting spring 2012 which has been speculated elsewhere too."

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John Wilson
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Apparently as part of Paramount's 100th Anniversary Celebrations.

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Peter Berrett
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I saw it for the first time at home on DVD only a few months ago.

Yes that's right - I hadn't seen it or the sequels ever before and it was largely John's suggestion that prompted me.

Its a good flick.

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