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Manny Knowles
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posted 06-21-2012 02:52 PM

quote: Randy Stankey
Regardless how good that law seems on the surface, when government takes more authority, it is almost always bad.

Sigh.

In general, I'm inclined to agree with your point, Randy.

I guess I'm in "not opposed" to this particular idea because I wouldn't personally be inconvenienced too terribly.

But, on the other hand, one need look no further than the current air travel (in)security situation -- I don't care if it's deemed a "necessary evil" -- that one does somehow manage to irritate me nonetheless.

What both of these issues have in common, is that "the innocent are forced to suffer with the guilty."

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-21-2012 05:49 PM

I was just thinking about sizes of restaurant etc. foods today vs. when I was growing up.

When I bought the movie theatre we had two sizes: 12 oz and 16 oz. They were served without ice. Now we have 4 sizes, 12 to 46 oz., but they all have ice now of course.

We used to have ONE size of buttered corn: 24 oz. Now we sell a 164 oz version, and three smaller sizes. (our most popular is the 85 ounce.)

At the cafe up the street from here, a "small" Coke was one of those restaurant-style wavy glass glasses, probably held about 8 or 10 ounces. A "large" was a taller version of the same glass, holding about 12 ounces. They had 24 ounce paper cups, but those were "milkshake cups" and they didn't sell soda in them.

There was no such things as free refills or even paid refills, where now in the typical nice restaurant they'll bring you a whole new soda if they see you've downed more than half of yours.

Their hamburger had probably a 3 ounce slab of ground beef. (Which I actually liked better than the stupid "half pound" burgers you get today.) When I was in high school (1970-74) you could buy a burger, fries and a coke for $1.00.

I remember when we got into the theater business one of the first things we did was get an ice machine and some larger cup sizes. The biggest we had at first was 24 ounce. It was by FAR our biggest seller, so we decided to try a 32 ounce. It sold even better than the 24, so we tried the 46. It did OK, but the 32-ounce settled in as our most popular size and has been ever since. (To be fair, we use that size in our combos too, which helps its popularity.)

No doubt, sizes ARE getting bigger, but government regulation on this is just silly. Public education is better. I used to always order the "large soda" whenever I went anywhere, but now I almost always ask for a medium if I'm not sure what size I'm getting, because Large is almost always more than I want to drink.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-21-2012 06:51 PM

The general public is taking advantage of the government, employers and the health care system with its failure in health management. Manny is right in saying there is an entitlement mentality at work in the public having it both ways in terms of freedoms and lack of consequence.

I keep mentioning employers and privately run insurance companies and our so-called "private" health care system. That's because if government isn't going to make any substantial effort to fight this problem those private entities will be forced to do so. They're carrying more and more of the burden. At some point that has to stop. And all the people worried about government intervention will be blind sided by business intervention. And when business intervenes the constitution and government will be irrelevant. The freedom to live badly crowd can then scream about their lost freedoms to the wind.

If the general public really wants to avoid letting the government, their employer, insurance companies or health care companies tell them how to live then the general public needs to start making positive changes immediately. The general public deserves by far most of the blame for health care costs getting out of control.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 06-21-2012 08:33 PM

quote: Bobby
Our popular culture champions making poor dietary choices. You're not a real man if eat salad and avoid junk food.

I don't think avoiding junk food is considered unmanly, but eating salad definitely is. Salads are like eating air. Nasty-tasting air. You're probably burning more calories eating them than you're taking in. Salads are a pansy food. But you don't need salads to be healthy. Also, even if eating salads is effeminate, there seems to be more obese women than men that I've noticed. Society doesn't shun women eating salads.

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Randy Stankey
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posted 06-21-2012 09:09 PM

quote: Manny Knowles
I guess I'm in "not opposed" to this particular idea because I wouldn't personally be inconvenienced too terribly.

That's part of the ruse. If they just find a whole lot of little things that nobody cares too much about, they can gradually alter the law in, as Frank Zappa wrote, "In tiny paragraphs" until, one day, we are surprised at how much authority we've unwittingly given away.

Personally, I don't care, either. I think people who drink 128 zillion ounce sodas are pigs but, one, it's not my pancreas and, two, regardless of the ostensible reason, the government is stepping over the line on this one.

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Lyle Romer
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posted 06-22-2012 09:21 AM

quote: Manny Knowles
I guess I'm in "not opposed" to this particular idea because I wouldn't personally be inconvenienced too terribly.

To echo Randy, this is how the slippery slope gets started on. I only drink rarely so I wouldn't be personally inconvenienced if prohibition was brought back. However, just because it wouldn't bother me doesn't mean that the governement should be telling others what they can and can't do.

I do 100% agree with Bobby that with freedom SHOULD come consequences. Somebody that eats 3 supersized McDonald's meals a day and sits on the couch watching Jerry Springer every second that they aren't stuffing their face with crap food shouldn't have the same healthcare cost that I do when I eat pretty well and exercise 4+ times per week to stay in shape and healthy.

That should have been a part of the "Affordable Care Act" (no matter if you support or oppose it). Insurance companies should be compelled to charge more for higher risk individuals (smokers, obese people). If you want to be unhealthy on purpose then you should have to pay your "fair share" of the risk pool. Obesity is rarely a disease and in the cases where it is it can be treated with gastric bypass surgery. For 90%+ of the obese population they are obese becasue they eat too much and don't exercise at all.

I used to work in an office on the 2nd floor of the building. It always struck me how the in shape people would walk up and down the stairs while the fat slobs would be packed in the elevator to go up and down 1 freaking floor. The elevator should have been for handicapped only and anybody that can walk should have been forced to use the stairs!

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-22-2012 09:39 AM

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anybody that can walk should have been forced to use the stairs!

Forced by who? The government?

Pretty easy to get sucked into the notion of bending people's behavior to your own will, eh? [Big Grin]

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Lyle Romer
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posted 06-22-2012 09:45 AM

quote: Mike Blakesley
Forced by who? The government?

Pretty easy to get sucked into the notion of bending people's behavior to your own will, eh?

Touche!

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Randy Stankey
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posted 06-22-2012 10:12 AM

I took that to be an expression of frustration or disapproval, much in the way people used to exclaim, "There ought to be a law..."

Do I want there to be a law requiring able-bodied people to always use the stairs? No, but I often feel frustrated when I see an elevator full of fat people.

BTW: My personal rule is to take the stairs if it's only one flight up or two flights down. Sometimes more if I'm feeling well but sometimes less if I'm tired or feel poorly. If I've got packages or something to carry, that's a different story but overall, it's often faster just to take the stairs, even if I don't hurry.

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Manny Knowles
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posted 06-22-2012 02:34 PM

Seems appropriate here:

Nanny State Bans

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