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Lyle Romer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
There's a big catch to the whole walk into the ER and not pay the bill thing. That's only good for a one time thing.

A disease like cancer is different. That's not solved in one visit to the ER. Insurance companies and hospitals can (and do) decide to send someone home to die instead of treating them particularly if they don't have any medical coverage.

This isn't true. Any healthcare facility or provider that accepts any federal program money (Medicare or Medicaid) must treat anybody who walks through the door regardless of their ability to pay.

Now, to the point about insurance, the problem is that insurance started out as protection against catestrophic events that required surgery, hospitalization or long term treatment. When I was a kid, my parents had insurance to cover that kind of stuff ("major medical" I think it was called) and when I went to the Doctor for a sore throat my mom paid for the office visit.

Somewhere along the line "Health Insurance" became "Health Benefits" and that is what started the ridiculous price increases because now the patient isn't paying market value anymore. Also, people that have low copay plans are much more likely to see a doctor because they "don't feel well" since it only costs $20.

Combine that with the malpractice insurance and unnecessary "defensive medicine" procedures and you get where we are now as far as total healthcare expense.

There is some country in Asia that has universal government "catastrophic" insurance coverage. Then each citizen has a health savings account of some sort. All "normal" health care is paid out of that account. I forget the numbers but their heathcare cost per capita is like an order of magnitude lower than ours in the US. This is because for "normal" health care the market keeps the price down.

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Jesse Skeen
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Oh Regal, how you never cease to amaze me...

(This just in: Moviegoers cut trips to movies to stay out of Regal's pockets!)

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Jason Burroughs
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quote: Lyle Romer
This isn't true. Any healthcare facility or provider that accepts any federal program money (Medicare or Medicaid) must treat anybody who walks through the door regardless of their ability to pay.
The "duty to treat" that EMTALA imposes on hospitals with emergency rooms that accept Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement begins when a patient comes to the emergency department seeking help. In addition to the emergency department, EMTALA also applies to other properties owned by a hospital, such as ambulances. To comply with EMTALA, the participating hospitals must provide within its capabilities a nondiscriminatory medical screening examination (MSE) to determine if the patient has an emergency medical condition. An emergency medical condition is defined as "a condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity, such as severe pain, for which the lack of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in placing the patient in serious jeopardy, serious impairment to bodily functions, or serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part." [Smith, JM, "EMTALA Basics: What Medical Professionals Need to Know," Journal of the National Medical Association 94,6 (2002): 426-429]. In the case of pregnant women in labor, an emergency medical condition exists if there is not sufficient time to deliver the baby at another facility or if the unborn child is at critical risk and needs assistance. If an emergency medical condition exists, the hospital must provide the necessary medical treatment to stabilize the patient. Legally, a patient can be considered stabilized when "no material deterioration of the emergency medical condition is likely, within reasonable medical probability, to result from or occur during the transfer of the individual, or, …that the (pregnant) woman has delivered (including the placenta)." [42 U.S.C. § 1395dd(e)(3)]. If no emergency medical condition exists or the emergency medical condition has been stabilized, then the hospital has no further obligation under EMTALA.

Bottom line - they would be obligated to provide emergency treatment ONLY. The hypothetical cancer patient - screwed. Once an uninsured patient is stable (not cured) the provider is under no further obligation. This is why you often see patient dumping, once their Medicaid, or other insurance runs out.

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Bobby Henderson
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Yeah, I was going to follow up with something like that to respond to Lyle's comment.

A person who has discovered what could be a deadly melanoma on his leg would fall well outside the "duty to treat" emergency medical conditions. The guy isn't going to die immediately from the melanoma on his leg. So it isn't technically a medical emergency. But it damned sure is an emergency to the guy with the malignant melanoma.

Also, if hospitals actually followed through 100% on people with little or no ability to pay for care we would never see fund-raising drives for local citizens needing cancer treatment or an organ transplant.

Lots of patients are effectively told, "tough shit, go home and die." That is the health care system in this country.

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Michael Marini
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posted 04-21-2013 01:11 PM Central (GMT -6:00) (2:11 PM Local)
Regal Cinema sees backlash over Obamacare cuts

Moviegoers are vowing to boycott the country's biggest theater chain after it slashes employees' hours to avoid the new law.

By Aimee Picchi Thu 10:58 AM

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Regal Entertainment Group (RGC) is finding itself at the center of a drama worthy of a big-screen blockbuster.

The country's biggest movie theater chain has stirred a hornets' nest of controversy after announcing in a company memo that it's cutting hours for thousands of nonsalaried employees to avoid providing health care insurance under Obamacare, according to Fox News.

But that isn't going over well with some customers, who point to Regal's hefty $334 million in 2012 profits and its chief executive's massive 31% pay hike. The company's shares rose 17% last year.

"SHAME on you for cutting employees' hours to avoid giving them healthcare while your CEO made $4.4 million and other executives were given large bonuses. You lose my business," one person wrote on Regal's Facebook page.

Chief executive Amy Miles earned $4.45 million in 2012, up from $3.4 million in the previous year, according to a regulatory filing.

Many people writing on Regal's Facebook page vowed to stop attending films at its theaters, which operate under the Regal, Edwards and United Artists brands. Another wrote, "It is so sad to see companies work so hard to keep from treating their employees fairly. The greedy people at the top forget who makes them rich. Shame on you. I for one will find other movie houses to attend shows from now on."

Obamacare has become a lightning rod among American business owners, with some fast-food franchisees saying they'll have to delay expansion plans or charge more for their food, for example. Dunkin' Brands (DNKN +1.15%) is lobbying the government to change its definition of "full time" to employees working at least 40 hours a week instead of the law's current 30 hours a week.

But Regal Cinemas might be at the receiving end of one of the worst consumer backlashes yet. It's one of only a handful of companies to announce definitively how it plans to cope with the Affordable Care Act, which goes into effect next year. Other companies planning cutbacks because of Obamacare include Applebee's and Denny's (DENN +0.72%), which both suffered from poor brand perception afterward, according to a December report from Today.com.

Regal is also facing pushback from employees, according to Fox News. After getting their hours cut by 25% or more, some full-time managers have resigned, the story notes.

According to a memo obtained by Fox News, Regal advised managers to tell affected employees that "to comply with the Affordable Care Act, Regal had to increase our health care budget to cover those newly deemed eligible based on the law's definition of a full-time employee. To manage this budget, all other employees will be scheduled in accord with business needs and in a manner that will not negatively impact our health care budget."

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Mike Blakesley
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I'm tired of people griping about CEOs making too much money. First of all, they usually make that much because they're worth that much. If you want to get good executives you have to pay for them, period.

Next, even if you DID take away all that "excess" executive pay (and who's going to decide how much is excess?), it probably still wouldn't be enough to pay for all the tens of thousands of employees' health insurance. There are three options: Avoid paying for it, or trim employees to pay for it, or raise prices to pay for it.

Most "uninsured" people in this country seem to think that health care should be free...well NOTHING in life is free, which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody with a brain.

Regal is just doing this move to keep their costs down -- which if they don't do, they'll have to raise their ticket and concession prices to pay the tab (or cut down on staffing, which would be crazy given stories we hear about understaffing).

I can't believe I'm actually defending my second-least favorite big theater chain here but if it makes sense, it makes sense.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote: Mike Blakesley
I'm tired of people griping about CEOs making too much money. First of all, they usually make that much because they're worth that much. If you want to get good executives you have to pay for them, period.
A theatre chain as badly managed as Regal is, does not seem to be one where the CEO is good or "worth that much."

And Regal isn't the only example..how about Ebay/Paypal? [Mad]

quote: Mike Blakesley
Regal is just doing this move to keep their costs down -- which if they don't do, they'll have to raise their ticket and concession prices to pay the tab (or cut down on staffing, which would be crazy given stories we hear about understaffing).
See above comment. A chain consistently shortchanging customer service by understaffing and the other evils they do is not one I would consider to be well-run or one where the CEO ranks as deserving of top dollar. [Roll Eyes]

quote: Mike Blakesley
I can't believe I'm actually defending my second-least favorite big theater chain here but if it makes sense, it makes sense.
I can't believe you posted that either, as your position makes no sense based on what I have read from you in the past. You strike me as someone who genuinely cares about providing outstanding customer service, worthy of the high pay of some of these CEO's. If anyone deserves high pay, it is you, and folks like you, who think of the CUSTOMER and EMPLOYEES first. [thumbsup]

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Mike Blakesley
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Well thank you for the compliment, and believe me I'm no Amy Miles fan (CEO of Regal), but they ARE the #1 chain and they are a profitable company so they must be doing something right. In big cities it's pretty easy to go to a different chain if you don't like the closest one to your house, so SOMEBODY must like them! [Big Grin]

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Monte L Fullmer
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Thing I like is that these patrons are wanting to put the dagger in the back of REG when it's really not REG's fault in the first place.

We have 4 REG locations in our area where they do get the crowds and are pleased with the service and satisfaction. That may change a bit when CinemaWest completes their 15plex in this same area by the end of the year and give decent competition to REG on the topics of quality and service.

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Robert E. Allen
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Do you have a large enough population base in the Nampa area to support that many screens Monte? Or is the just another case of the big boys trying to out-screen one another and drive the other one out of business?

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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I feel bad for the part time workers who will not have any health paid for them, but this is just a response from those who cannot/or do not want to pay for Obamacare. If I am correct, the United States is supposed to be a country where the top have more and the bottom have less, in this case, Obama trying to impose health care coverage and have a company have to pay for the cost of it goes against the whole idea of what America is about.

This idea of reducing part time workers hours has been predicted for a while now.

Now, if Obama really wanted to do something that would benefit everyone, perhaps the government should of come up with a plan that will eliminate billing the end user for the health care. In Canada and other parts of the world, the government will pay for major health care visits...this would be the only solution that would work if you want to cover everyone.

Can anyone confirm something for me, with Obamacare, is now illegal to not have insurance regardless if you have a company pay for it or if you have to pay for it yourself?

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote: Mike Blakesley
...they are a profitable company so they must be doing something right.
Which is exactly WHY their action of screwing over the employees is unacceptable. As for doing something right, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that part of it..unless I was a shareholder.

Now, if Regal was NOT profitable and struggling to stay afloat, then their actions would be understandable (not popular, but at least understandable). But with those kinds of profit numbers....

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Thing I like is that these patrons are wanting to put the dagger in the back of REG when it's really not REG's fault in the first place.
Wrong, it IS their fault (in regards to their chosen course of action) and they deserve the daggers and loss of customers (and employees.) See above.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
We have 4 REG locations in our area where they do get the crowds and are pleased with the service and satisfaction.
From what I have read on here and heard from folks here in So Cal, your 4 locations are major exceptions to the norm of Regal.

Oh, and I'm sure our very own Grand Poo-Bah doesn't treat his employees as Regal does.

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Mike Blakesley
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I'm sure he doesn't but I also don't think he has a gigantic corporate "structure" breathing down his neck.

You have to take their actions in the context of big-business strategies. Big businesses hire people to do the menial jobs at a low wage. There are way MORE people looking for work than there are jobs. This translates to their ability to do what they have done. Of course it won't please the employees, but it WILL please the board of directors and the stockholders, who are the ones who hold the reins. As for the general public, probably at least 90% of them don't even know any of this drama is taking place, so public opinion really doesn't matter, especially when the next big blockbuster movie comes along and fills all their seats.

I'm not defending them, mind you...I'm just saying my opinion on why they did it. What they "deserve" is often very different from what actually happens in real life.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
Which is exactly WHY their action of screwing over the employees is unacceptable. As for doing something right, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that part of it..unless I was a shareholder.

Now, if Regal was NOT profitable and struggling to stay afloat, then their actions would be understandable (not popular, but at least understandable). But with those kinds of profit numbers....

Being profitable should have nothing to do with paying for someone's health care.

If I own a company and it is profitable, why should I have to pay for someone else care for health?

Offering company health care benefits is one of the perks among others in trying to keep top talent (the have's) with your company, meaningless movie theatre jobs can easily be replaced (the have not).

Please don't say that it is the moral thing to do.

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Edward Havens
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Health insurance at a job is not a right. There is a reason it's been called a benefit, long before Barack Obama even decided which college he was going to go to, let alone become President. It has been a perk that goes with working hard enough, being good enough and sticking with a job long enough to warrant your employer to pay for that kind of benefit.

That Starbucks offers benefits for their workers who work at least 20 hours a week is, to me, a good reason why their lousy coffee is so damned expensive. Might also suggest they feel the must offer that kind of generous benefits package to keep talent around.

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