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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Randy Stankey
If you want to fix up your house, we don't have government authorities telling you whether you can put siding on your house or whether you can build an addition.
That's not the best analogy to use regarding health care. There are various authorities that can/will tell you what to do regarding hour home. Many local governments will have codes and ordinances that regulate additions built onto homes and do require permitting before construction can proceed. There are neighborhood associations in many residential additions that will dictate things like housing color scheme, what kind of plants you can put your yard and even periodic maintenance.

I'm not all that keen on some of these ideas, although I do understand perfectly why the rules are there. If you buy a home in a nice neighorbood you don't want the guy across the street or next door letting his house fall into disrepair. That problem is more than just an eyesore. It drives down the property values of your own home. This is central to why neighborhood associations exist. City governments do need to require building codes and enforce those rules. That's simply because too many home builders are not to be trusted and will be guaranteed to take all kinds of cost cutting, profit improving shortcuts wherever the opportunity may present itself. Here in Lawton, within its city limits, building codes are strict. Outside of city limits, in Comanche County there's hardly any rules at all. If you have a home built out there, you had better know your stuff on home construction and be on the site constantly. Or you'll have an beautiful, overpriced home with the structural integrity of a cardboard hut.

Dishonesty, unfortunately, is a big part of human behavior. If every person had integrity we wouldn't need things like laws, or even government for that matter.

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What needs to be done is to dismantle the system. Do away with comprehensive health insurance. Bring health care costs down to market rates.
It would be an interesting experiment to see what would happen with all these hospitals, clinics and the giant McMansions adjacent to them if they could only charge what patients could afford to pay out of pocket.

I'm guessing the health care system would be a mere fraction of its current size. The legions of health care industry workers in it mainly for the money and country club status would all be doing something completely different for a living. We would probably have even more attorneys than we have now.

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Randy Stankey
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The great majority of people don't live in places where neighborhood organizations have any say. Most people build houses according to building codes without needing an authority to tell them to do so.

About two years ago, I hurt my foot. I stepped on something and cut my toe wide open. Nothing super bad but I needed stitches. I went to an urgent care center. When I got there, the woman asked which insurance I would use. I said, "Cash." She looked at me like I had three heads! Before she could say anything, I took out my wallet and counted a couple of Benjamins down on the counter. "I said, cash money."

The bill came to 180-something dollars and she couldn't even make twenty dollars change. They had to mail me a check in order to give me back what I was owed. It took a month for me to get my money!

Is this a "system" that we want to have?

Why do we want to uphold a system that doesn't work, just to save the jobs of a few doctors when a person can't even pay cash on the barrel for a minor medical procedure? Would you rather let companies lay off workers in order to keep themselves from paying into a broken system? Isn't that what Regal is doing?

I say, tear down the "system" and start over with something that works better before the whole thing crashes.

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Bobby Henderson
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Paying cash/check upon being treated for a minor medical problem is no big deal. If only the situation with health care was that simple.

The problem is there's too many other medical situations that are a hell of a lot worse and take a lot more than one simple visit to fix (cancer, various diseases, very serious/life threatening injuries, etc.). You gotta have insurance for that. Even there, health insurance isn't going to cover everything -like being unable to work because you're stuck in the hospital or debilitated at home.

No one except for the very well off are going to have the amount of cash just laying around to immediately pay a doctor's bill for getting horribly injured in a car accident or fighting a 2 year battle with cancer. Chronic conditions, such as HIV, that require a patient to take a cocktail of drugs for the rest of his/her life can be financially devastating. You need some sort of "insurance" for those kinds of things. What's the alternative? Euthanizing people like we do with horses when they break a leg?

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Jonathan Goeldner
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I thought the whole point of Obamacare was that the healthy 25-35 year olds paying their health insurance would be providing the funds to those who are sick and in need of medical costs. It's like car insurance, we pay it so those who get into accidents the accumulated amount pays for their costs.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I'm guessing the health care system would be a mere fraction of its current size.
Well THAT would be a disaster right there. I don't know what it's like where you live but around here, in the cities you already have to wait in a nice line to get into an emergency room, and if you want to get an appointment with any kind of a decent specialist you're usually talking weeks or often months.

In my town of 2000, the care might not be quite as cutting edge, but you can usually get in the same day or maybe the next day. The rates are way cheaper too. But...they don't have any specialists or do major surgery here, so if you need anything huge done, you're right back on the same overcrowded treadmill at Billings or wherever.

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Randy Stankey
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The problem wasn't that I could pay cash. The problem was that they didn't want to take it. The woman wouldn't have taken the money if she wasn't obliged to. I even said she could bill me if she didn't want to be paid but I thought her head was going to explode at the mere mention of it.

A system that all but discriminates against those who pay cash, regardless of the cost, is hopelessly screwed up! We need to tear it down and build it back up again or else it will collapse under its own weight.

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Mike Blakesley
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I think you are over-reacting to the whole can't-pay-cash thing. The reason they didn't want to take cash is that ALMOST NOBODY PAYS CASH. They probably wouldn't get more than one or two people a year who would want to pay cash, if that. To be set up for cash they would have to install a cash drawer of some kind, provide change, keep it secure, train somebody to handle it (including the banking), and of course the usual bookkeeping crap and theft worries. It's just easier for them not to bother with it.

I would equate it to hearing impaired systems in small theaters -- it's a thing that just isn't used. I can't remember the last time someone asked to use our system. I don't know if it even works anymore. We'd have been money ahead to just save the $ we spent on it and risk one upset patron every 20 years. (If it wasn't for the ADA concerns that is.)

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Monte L Fullmer
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I found this article on the topic of the "29-49" ruling of the "ACA of 2014". Interesting reading to show this action is almost everywhere throughout the country.

Thx-Monte



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In the minds of many employers, the Affordable Care Act is brought to them by the numbers 29 and 49 — and by the letters N and O.

A shock hit 10,000 part-time workers for the state of Virginia, including large numbers of adjunct college faculty, when the state passed its annual budget this spring. By law, they can now work no more than 29 hours a week.

They are just the tip of the iceberg. The number 29 is on the minds of employers everywhere this spring, from state and local governments to large corporations and mom-and-pop stores.

Some whisper it, others shout it. Few are unaware of it. Twenty-nine is the key threshold that keeps employers free from the new health care mandates. Bump up to 30 hours, and an employee is full time and the employer must help pay for health care.

Small businesses have also been watching the number 49. This is the employee headcount trigger that kicks in health care requirements. Keep headcount below 49 “full-time equivalent employees,” and an employer can avoid health care requirements altogether.

Many businesses attribute the hours pinch (29) and the headcount squeeze (49) to the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare.

The squeeze on part-time hours particularly hurts many employees because so many are working part time. In the March jobs report from the Bureau of Labor statistics, involuntary part-time employment stood at 7.6 million, 3 million higher than when the Great Recession began in 2007.

In measuring the new law’s impact on take-home pay, most eyes have been on private businesses, especially franchise owners. With negative publicity keeping heads down in the business world, another indicator is state and local governments — equally sensitive to cost but more insulated from bad publicity.

Heads up

Late last year, controversy swirled around comments by corporate leaders and major franchise owners, as a number of high-profile business leaders gave early and vocal notice they would be slashing full-time hours in the coming year.

Among these were corporate voices, such as Whole Foods and Darden Restaurants, the latter being the parent company of Olive Garden and Red Lobster. Darden announced in October it was experimenting with a “part-time only” model at restaurants in four markets.

Major franchise owners of brands such as Applebee’s and Wendy’s also spoke out.

In November, Zane Tankel, chairman and CEO of Apple-Metro, which owns some 40 Applebee’s restaurants in the New York area, said he would be cutting hours to avoid health care costs.

“So what does that say – that says we won't build more restaurants. We won't hire more people," he told Fox Business Network at the time.

Heads down

The result of the outspokenness in some cases was a brand-damaging backlash, leading to tactical retreat. Wendy’s corporate quickly distanced itself from the franchises that moved to cut hours, announcing that corporate-owned stores would not follow suit. By December, Darden announced it was cancelling its plans to shift to a strict part-time model.

“What happens is the 'Huffington Post' picks it up and you essentially have a boycott going on in front of your door,” said Matt Haller, Vice President for Public Affairs at the International Franchise Association, a lobbying group that represents franchise owners. “That’s why the smart brands have been keeping quiet on it.”

With individual brands laying low, Haller said, trade associations like his have been more vocal about the law’s impact, but at the same time they have become increasingly resigned.

“We’ve been a little more pragmatic since the election,” Haller said. “It’s the reality. It’s the law of the land.” He said IFA’s focus is “tweaking the law around the edges” both in Congress and in regulatory rule making.

49ers and 29ers

With the clock ticking on the “look back” year, many small business owners remain confused about what will be demanded of them, said Kevin Kuhlman, manager of legislative affairs for the National Federation of Independent Businesses.

Last week Kuhlman spoke with a homebuilder in Arizona who thought he would fall below the 50 employee threshold because half of his 65 employees were on a spouse’s health plan. That’s not how the rule works, Kuhlman explained.

The majority of NFIB’s members have fewer than 49 employees, Kuhlman said. These employers can avoid the health care requirement by keeping headcount low. Those above that mark, he said, are already looking at cutting part-time hours to hold them to 29 hours per week.

“People are telling us that this is what they are doing,” Kuhlman said. “It’s not what they want to do. But they say this is probably what’s going to happen.”

The downward pressure on both headcount and hours is particularly problematic for franchise owners. Almost all franchise owners aspire to own multiple locations, Haller said, and the business model really doesn’t make sense otherwise. But multiple franchise locations now become an instant trigger for unsustainable health care costs, according to Haller, because the 49-employee rule encompasses all of a company’s holdings.

Municipal blues

It’s not just private businesses that are squeezing part-time hours. Cedar Falls, Iowa, with a population of just less than 40,000, is not all that much larger than some small businesses. The city had 59 part-time employees on its books, each previously limited to 32 hours a week. Even before the Affordable Care Act, in other words, Cedar Falls was saving health care costs by limiting full-time employment.

In response to the ACA, however, Cedar Falls has imposed a weekly quota of 29 hours on these employees, mostly clerical, janitorial and maintenance workers.

The alternative was to lay off 25-30 employees, said Cedar Falls Administrative Services Director Richard McAlister.

“We thought that would be inhumane,” McAlister said, noting that the cost of providing health care to all 59 would have been $855,000 a year.

The impact on city services is less dramatic than the impact on the individual worker, McAlister said, because the worker's take-home pay suffers a significant hit with the new restrictions.

McAlister has been in close contact with other Iowa cities and notes that, although Cedar Falls was an early mover, “some of them have quietly initiated the same type of thing.” Some cities are in a quandary, he said, because they had previously provided prorated health benefits to temporary workers. Under the new law, that will not be allowed.

McAlister said Cedar Falls has received a little push back after its decision. “We had a little bit of push back, but I would say 80 to 90 percent was positive. You are doing the right thing. This is a business decision. You are trying to keep people employed.”

McAlister said he also got feedback from the private sector, including a lot of restaurants.

“They told us they were doing the same thing,” he said. “I think it takes some of the heat off of them. They can say even the city is doing this.”

“Frankly, I would have preferred that we not be as high profile as we were,” McAlister said. “You like to be able to do these kind of personal things quietly. But in the end, it was probably good that we got the message out. It does allow people to plan what they do into the future.”


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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Mike Blakesley
Well THAT would be a disaster right there. I don't know what it's like where you live but around here, in the cities you already have to wait in a nice line to get into an emergency room, and if you want to get an appointment with any kind of a decent specialist you're usually talking weeks or often months.
Agreed. It would be a disaster.

Nevertheless, if our nation's health care industry was built solely on what average people could pay out of their pocket for care there wouldn't be much of any health care industry at all. Average people wouldn't be able to pay doctors, nurses, specialists, etc. what they expect to make for that line of work. Most of those medical professionals would find a more lucrative line of work. I don't think there are very many doctors or nurses in that profession just for the love of the work and would do it for low pay.

Our so-called "free market" health care system would not survive without the enormous amounts of money flowing into it from the taxpayers and insurance companies as well as the patients themselves. If the system was run totally on pocket cash from patients very few clinics would have the kinds of technological devices you see in many hospitals now. We already have "socialized medicine" -a very strange form of it.

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quote: Randy Stankey
So, why do we need a health care "system?"
Take this argument to it's logical conclusion:

· Why do we need police? Everyone could hire there own security guards and private investigators as needed.

· Why do we need fire departments? Everyone could contract for private fire protection.

· Why do we need public education? Everyone could pay for tutors or private schools directly to educate their children.

The list goes on and on. We, as a society, have agreed over the years to collectively pay for certain services for the common good. This is not new, it goes back to the founding of the republic. At some point in our lives, all of us will need major health care. Why shouldn't it be provided for the common good as other services, some of which we may never need, are provided, at least at some basic level.

As Mike Blakesley pointed out, getting there will cost no matter how it is done, but then so does police, fire, education, etc.

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