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Rex Oliver
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I would not want to listen to a movie soundtrack thru the speaker on my phone-but could you use the phone to receive the soundtrack thru the theaters WiFi broadcast to the phone-if the phone has WiFi-mine does-then you could route the sound from the phone thru your cars sound system.Suppose that could work-but the Gotchas as others point out.Just a thought.There is always the speaker on the post!Its been YEARS since I went to a drive in!Liked them,though-just fun.

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Jack Ondracek
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Of course, the old drive-in speakers would still work, if the field wiring is still in decent shape. We have one small drive-in here that still uses them along with their FM system.

As for wifi... nope. As has been noted here, anything that adds encoding and decoding delay is a problem. We've run into the same issue with digital broadcast audio processors and studio-to-transmitter links, to the point that few stations can use their off-air audio in their announcers' headsets any more.

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Mike Blakesley
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The original question begs the question, why in the world would you not want to listen to the movie on your car radio? What's the point of wanting to play the sound on a phone?

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Chris Markiewicz
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Chiming in, we looked into the wifi idea some time ago. The latency issue as well as being able to cover the fields killed it for us. We've done a lot to provide our customers with the best sound quality possible. The only issue we've really run into is people who don't know how to tune their radios to one of our frequencies.

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OK, so here is the problem we are having with sound at the drive in. we have 3 screens and 3 different radio frequencies. One of the screens has a station that also uses the same frequency that we use for that screen. On the weekends, the radio station makes adjustments so that there signal travels further and interrupts the station that we are using for that screen. Either customers can't hear anything at all.. or there is static. With all the phone apps that are out there, i figured maybe there one was one for radio stations

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quote: Paul Goulet
....One of the screens has a station that also uses the same frequency that we use for that screen. On the weekends, the radio station makes adjustments so that there signal travels further and interrupts the station that we are using for that screen.
Then all you need to do is change the frequency of that screen's transmitter. [Roll Eyes]

Why overcomplicate a very simple fix? As mentioned, you would be looking at a large investment in time and money to get the audio to a phone app PLUS you'd have to overcome the huge delay issue..oh, and then you'd have to do that THREE times as you couldn't leave the other two screens on radio..that would really confuse and piss off your customers.

EVERY transmitter ever made for DI use has the ability to change frequency...it may not be obvious to an end user but it CAN be changed. (It may require access to an internal adjustment or changing a component or two but any competent tech can do it quickly.)

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Scott Norwood
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Is this AM or FM?

Have you tried switching frequencies? There is a web site here that will help you find vacant frequencies in your area.

No doubt the broadcast engineers here will be able to help you further with improving your signal while not stomping on someone else's licensed frequency.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Paul Goulet
OK, so here is the problem we are having with sound at the drive in. we have 3 screens and 3 different radio frequencies. One of the screens has a station that also uses the same frequency that we use for that screen. On the weekends, the radio station makes adjustments so that there signal travels further and interrupts the station that we are using for that screen. Either customers can't hear anything at all.. or there is static. With all the phone apps that are out there, i figured maybe there one was one for radio stations
Yah.... I think you'll have to look elsewhere for your solution, Paul. Anything that requires sending your audio somewhere, only to have it come back to someone's phone is guaranteed to be delayed. How much delay doesn't matter... it would run from irritable to completely unusable.

Your comment that the station you're broadcasting over makes changes to its power on the weekend is interesting. The FCC and, so far as I know, the Canadian CRTC doesn't license any FM station to run multiple power levels. No matter though. Actually, you're running a bit of a risk, broadcasting over a frequency that's also being used by a properly-licensed radio station. Are there no other frequencies you could move to? The lower "reserved" band channels (frequencies below 92.1) are usually good prospects, as you're more likely to find the stations on them to be spread out and of lower power. Still... anything that's quiet is a much better choice than competing with a station on its own frequency. It hasn't happened often, but we've had to move our own channels a couple of times over the years.

Another thought. You should still look for another channel, but if your system is so weak it can't overcome an outside station within your own perimeter, you're either pushing against a fairly strong station or your own system might have some problems. It usually doesn't take much for a transmitter to dominate within a short distance around its antenna.

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Paul Goulet
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we first started having a problem at the beginning of the season (April) and we did change frequencies ..the problem seems to be that the other stations bump up there signal on the weekends which makes it worse

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About 6-7 years ago we had a community access channel take over the frequency of our drive-in station over the winter. We didn't realize it until the opening night of next season when people weren't able to get the movie sound. I don't know if the station had previously existed or just got a more powerful transmitter. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have any manuals or other information on how to set the frequency.

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Frank Cox
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After being closed all winter you didn't test your setup at all before selling tickets and attempting to show a movie to the public?

*boggle*

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Scott Norwood
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Out of curiousity, what happens at multi-screen drive-ins with regard to frequency selection? There is a ten-screen DI somewhere in Florida, I believe. Do they really have ten open FM frequencies in that area? Do they have some screens on AM (or using field speakers)?

As for the phone app thing: I suppose that with D-cinema it would be possible to advance the sound playback by some amount on the server side, but that would only work if the delay on the playback side were consistent (which it wouldn't be) and within the range of adjustment on the server. And the sound would also need to run through a delay box before hitting the FM transmitter to undo the offset, since not everyone will have a cell phone and many who do will prefer the sound quality of a car radio to that of a telephone speaker. And there is still the question of battery life on a cell phone.

In principle, you could probably provide wi-fi coverage for a local streaming server to 400-ish clients, but doing so would not be cheap (a $400-ish access point can reasonably serve ~25 client devices--maybe more if you mix 2.4GHz and 5GHz devices...and they are not weather proof). You would probably need a good wireless consultant to set it up, and you won't like the pricing on Cisco, Aruba, or Ruckus wireless gear.

One possibility, now that some car radios have "aux input" jacks would be to provide a line-level signal at each speaker pole and then sell or rent cables to allow people to connect that directly to their cars.

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David Buckley
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I'd suggest getting an RF professional to look at this; it sounds to me like a problem that can be solved with more appropriate transmitting aerials.

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Justin Hamaker
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quote: Frank Cox
After being closed all winter you didn't test your setup at all before selling tickets and attempting to show a movie to the public?
We did test it, but it was fine when we tested. It might be the radio station signs off after a certain hour, so when I tested late at night/early morning there was no interference. Regardless, we learned a valuable lesson.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Scott Norwood
One possibility, now that some car radios have "aux input" jacks would be to provide a line-level signal at each speaker pole and then sell or rent cables to allow people to connect that directly to their cars.


That would be a major time consuming factor for the boxoffice personnel since their main goal is to get cars off the entrance roads to not plug up traffic that are on those main roads as quick as possible - along a huge "babysitting" issue with taking ID's for rent out of such accessories..plus an added and unnecessary maintenance.

I do drive ins were we have to get cars in as quick as possible.

Sounds like a nifty idea, but realistically, it would be a total disaster.

-Monte

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