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Frank Cox
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From: Melville Saskatchewan Canada
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posted 03-02-2017 10:32 AM

I've never understood why there are all of those plastic grocery bags blowing around. I use them for kitchen trash and it usually works out about even so I have enough for trash bags and not a giant pile of left-over bags.

I wouldn't be too happy if they banned those bags since I would then have to buy bags to put the kitchen trash into.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 03-05-2017 12:28 AM

quote: Jim Cassedy
Of course, if drinking straws ever got banned here in San Francisco, I'm sure you'd be able to file for some sort of health-related exemption claiming that you are afflicted with some rare condition that requires you to drink through a straw.

Actually, drinking through a straw is way better for your teeth than sipping from a bottle, can or cup/glass because the liquid tends to go straight down your throat rather than swishing around your teeth. My dentist told me that...he said, if you must drink sweet stuff, use a straw.

I'd be fine with paper straws, I guess...they already have brought them back at lots of places. Sea World in Florida uses them, or they did the last time we were there.

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Daniel Schulz
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posted 03-05-2017 12:33 AM

quote: Bobby Henderson
As far as trash goes, how about those Walmart bags? Those things are blowing all over the landscape. Give it a few years and there will be a big push for people to buy reusable grocery bags.

Already happened here in Southern California. I thought I'd be super annoyed, but it's really fine. Reusable bags encouraged, if you forgot yours or need more bags than will fit in your 1 or 2 reusables you can buy a bag for ten cents. Seems to have cut down on the empty-bags-blowing-around problem.

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 03-05-2017 10:25 AM

My father-in-law is a dentist, and issues exactly the same advice. That was a little bit of an American culture adjustment for me, because where I grew up, abandoning drinking straws and drinking from a cup or glass directly was part of growing up, in the same way that learning to use a knife and fork is. On my first visit to the United States (in 2003), I was surprised to see adults using them. Maybe this is why Americans tend to have teeth in better shape than Brits!

As for supermarket carrier bags, I used them to empty the contents of the cat litter box into, and so the move to reusable ones is forcing us to buy trash bags for that purpose. So for my family at least, it hasn't reduced the use of plastic bags, just imposed a tax on them.

I suppose I could poop scoop the litter box straight into the outside garbage bin, but I don't like the hygiene implications of that, especially in the summer.

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Lyle Romer
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posted 03-05-2017 11:39 AM

quote: Leo Enticknap
As for supermarket carrier bags, I used them to empty the contents of the cat litter box into, and so the move to reusable ones is forcing us to buy trash bags for that purpose. So for my family at least, it hasn't reduced the use of plastic bags, just imposed a tax on them.

Similarly in my household, if they start this nanny state ban/charge in my area, I will end up using MORE plastic. Now, we use the bags from the grocery store for 90% of our garbage. If they start forcing me to use reusable bags at the grocery store, I'll have to start buying and using trash bags which are made from thicker plastic and tend to be larger than needed most of the time.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-05-2017 03:55 PM

A couple of the grocery stores in my area recycle the grocery bags. About every other trip or so to the store I'll drop off a bag filled with those things.

We have an ALDI store here in Lawton across the street from one of the Walmart locations. They charge for bags to encourage people to bring their own grocery bags or buy the more durable, reusable ALDI bags. It takes a little getting used to that as well as the shopping cart deposit.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Actually, drinking through a straw is way better for your teeth than sipping from a bottle, can or cup/glass because the liquid tends to go straight down your throat rather than swishing around your teeth. My dentist told me that...he said, if you must drink sweet stuff, use a straw.

I've heard conflicting evidence on this. Whether a person is sipping liquid from a glass or drawing it into the mouth from a straw the liquid is still going to make contact with the teeth to some degree as the liquid is positioned in the mouth to swallow. The important thing is to brush and floss regularly and limit the amount of sugary drinks and sweets in the diet.

Another point regarding drinking from a straw: don't drink from a straw following any kind of dental surgery, such as getting wisdom teeth extracted or work done on the gums. The suction that comes with using a straw can dislodge tissue that is trying to heal. That's really bad for wisdom teeth since it can lead to dry socket. Even following the dentist's advice I ended up with dry socket when my wisdom teeth were extracted; had it on both bottom left and right positions. Dry socket is excruciating.

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Clint Koch
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posted 03-05-2017 04:22 PM

Leo & Lyle,
We have a litter box and use the plastic bags we buy our vegetables in for that. No problem at all. Just need to buy (and eat) enough veggies.
Clint

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Rex Oliver
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posted 03-06-2017 12:46 AM

Bag and package problems-think the packaging isn't the problem-but the folks USING it or MISUSING it are the problems.I can't blame the bag or package-but the people that throw it into the landscape rather than their trash can or litter bag.Maybe its time to bring back the idea of litter bags for cars.Remember this from years ago.You would hang the bag on a radio knob or other knob on the dash and put your trash in it rather than throw it out the car window while driving.You simply emptied the litter bag when you got home or at your destination into a trash can.

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Frank Cox
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posted 03-06-2017 12:55 AM

My vehicle has pockets in the doors. I buy small paper lunch bags and put one of those in the pocket to fill up with any garbage generated during a trip.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-06-2017 09:10 AM

quote: Rex Oliver
Bag and package problems-think the packaging isn't the problem-but the folks USING it or MISUSING it are the problems.I can't blame the bag or package-but the people that throw it into the landscape rather than their trash can or litter bag.Maybe its time to bring back the idea of litter bags for cars.

I don't think very many people are simply tossing these small grocery bags out of a car window. What I've observed in my own town is people toss them in the garbage. But the wind can blow like crazy here in Oklahoma. If someone has their garbage can overflowing with trash it's nothing for the wind to catch any of those bags if they're loose at the top of the pile. Then there is the situation at the local land fill. The garbage trucks dump all that trash onto the garbage mountain South of town. They use bulldozers to smash and bury the trash. But a lot of those Walmart bags take flight in the wind before they can be buried. They just go blowing all over the damned place.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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posted 03-06-2017 09:30 PM

There is a group of ladies here that take those bags, slit them into strips and knit the strips into mats. These mats are distributed to the homeless where they use them for sleeping and covering themselves. Since the mats are plastic, they are waterproof and can be shaken clean after use on the ground.

Some bags are different colors so the ladies have found ways to incorporate those strips into patterns making the mats distinguishable from each other.

This is a really useful purpose for the used bags.

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Rex Oliver
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posted 03-07-2017 02:30 AM

Another problem about the bags and other trash is trash falling off or out of vehicles besides garbage trucks.Out here in my area the roadside trash gets shredded by the roadside mowers-making even more of a mess.Besides WalMart bags-see bags blowing around from Food Lion,Ice bags from ice vending machines and so on.The mower drivers don't have litter containers on their tractors-so--- they just run over the trash and grind it up-pieces of it blow around.My house is on a through street-I have had to pick up other folks trash and haul it to the dump.One time spotted a stalled roadside flail mower-several T-shirt bags stuck in its blades.The unit blew a hydraulic hose and the operator waiting for a tech to replace it.

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Tim Androes
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posted 03-07-2017 02:04 PM

Both Seattle and the state of Washington are considering a 2-cent an ounce tax on sugar sodas. Mayor Murray, Governor Inslee: [fu]

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Jack Ondracek
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posted 03-07-2017 03:20 PM

quote: Tim Androes
Both Seattle and the state of Washington are considering a 2-cent an ounce tax on sugar sodas.

I found articles about Murray, but nothing about the Gov...

Actually, Washington State has had a beverage tax for years. They charge $1 per gallon of syrup, which works out to about .65 cent per delivered ounce. Curiously, merchants can deduct this amount from their sales tax returns, meaning the State only makes money if the merchants charge more for the finished drink. That creates additional gross revenue, which generates additional sales tax, which the State does get.

You're right about Seattle though. If Murray does get a tax put in, merchants there will be paying two taxes on sodas, sugary or not.

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Tim Androes
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posted 03-07-2017 11:24 PM

Jack...I don't think it's Inslee specifically but a news item on the radio said that Olympia was considering the tax and maybe Seattle would cancel theirs if there was a statewide tax. I'm usually listening to KOMO am so that's probably where i heard it.

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