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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 10-01-1999 07:09 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm backing you up Erika...but I'm going to start another thread on "Breakdown etiquette".

By the way, credit goes out to Randy Stankey for the etiquette ideas. It wasn't me.

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George Roher
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 - posted 10-02-1999 12:20 AM      Profile for George Roher   Email George Roher   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I will also back you up, Erika. More than one reference frame is ridiculous.

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David Kilderry
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From: Melbourne Australia
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 - posted 10-02-1999 02:40 AM      Profile for David Kilderry   Author's Homepage   Email David Kilderry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One reference frame is all that is required. Single sided joins will preserve the heads and tails of prints for first run and second run/revival houses. I cannot believe that someone actually advises using masking tape on films.
Remember, the projectionist is the last ling in the chain that starts with production - all the money spent on a film like Titanic is wasted if the presentation is below standard.

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Stephen Jones
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 - posted 10-02-1999 11:40 PM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I always leave one frame matching up the leaders and I prefer to only tape one side of the join as almost all sites use platters any how.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 10-07-1999 12:09 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
About the 'credit' thing....

It's BRAD'S website!!!

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Kirk Mitchell
Film Handler

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From: Blacksburg VA
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 10-07-1999 04:42 AM      Profile for Kirk Mitchell   Email Kirk Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
- It's been said before, but masking tape should not be used at all with film.

How then should I fasten the head, or tail to it self on the outside of the reel, when they dont come with the paper dust gaurds? Or for that matter attaching the dust gard to the head/tail?

- I don't really find it necessary to use tape (any kind) to attach the reel band to the head or tail, you can just tuck it under the film a few inches then wrap it around and it should stay snug as long as the string is holding it tight. (I hope that made sense)

Yes, much sense. I've been using that meathod for years. I love reciving reels that have been pulled that way. Rolling off onto the 6k's the tail/head just spins right back onto the reel ready to pull the print, no searching for that ever so tiny slot to stick the head/tail into.

All in all my vote is for no tape, head or tail up (dosen't matter that much to me) just all head up or all tail up.
*points to the technicolor thread*

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 10-07-1999 05:00 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If your print does not come with "paper bands" then just leave the tail rolled around the hub of the reel (as always) and wrap the head leader up around your hand so it is frame out. Then just tuck it in the reel itself. I usually tape (paper tape or artists tape) the head to itself with a "buddy tab" so the tape comes off effortlessly during breakdown. Put this piece of tape on the head leader so it sticks up so the reels can easilly be identified during breakdown. This piece of tape also has the reel number on it. I then reuse the tape to make sure the leader is snug against itself when putting the reel back into the can during breakdown...again, reel number facing up.

Or you can use Brad's method and just put a piece of tape on the side of the reel with the reel number and a mark where the film is when that particular reel is full.(Done during buildup) I don't find this necessary because I can easilly see where the reels are when a print is on the platter, but it may be able to help other people out there... it's not a bad idea at all!

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 09-20-2001 08:12 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why do I always seem to want to post to threads that have been dead for a year or two?

I have always used clear splcing tape on both sides because that is company policy. I can see that using splicing tape, whether on one side or two, whether clear or zebra, is prefered to masking tape. Why? And why clear tape? Why both sides? Why not zebra tape on one side? (Which I have found before and personally do not have problems with. I am just trying to get your opinions as to why that might be my company's policy.)

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Tim Sherman
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 - posted 09-20-2001 11:53 PM      Profile for Tim Sherman   Author's Homepage   Email Tim Sherman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My question is during breakdown off of a platter or 6,000' reels what do you do with the splice? Do you peel off both sides of the tape, do you just tear the splice and then attach the leader over the existing tape, or do you cut out the frames that have tape on them?

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Bob Healey
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 - posted 09-21-2001 12:24 AM      Profile for Bob Healey   Email Bob Healey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When building a print, the policy I follow is if the leader is staying on this reel, check it, and if it is not presently spliced on both sides, remove the all existing tape from the join and remake the splice properly. When disassembling a print off reels, a single splice is made at the reel join. Coming from a second run booth, I personally don't care how the leader/tails are attached to the film, as long as they are present on the proper reel in the proper position. It is not fun building a print when there are no leaders, tails, or paper bands on a single reel, and it is all guess work to see if it is in the proper order


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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 09-21-2001 01:59 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Both sides when you mount your print. Hingeing splices can be a disaster in some projectors. However, if you are running an old Brenkert, you could spice it with a safety pin, and it will still pass in frame. (seen it happen)

When I dismount a print and ship it out, I use single sided tape splice so the next dude can peel it apart without too much trouble.

Agreed - one reference frame left behind when mounting a new print.

Paul


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Chris Quiroga
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
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 - posted 09-22-2001 03:34 AM      Profile for Chris Quiroga   Email Chris Quiroga   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aren't those "paper bands" that people keep mentioning in this thread called "safety film"? If not, then what exactly IS safety film? The name doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me if that's what they are called, because they're not film at all. . . Anyway, just wondering if you guys could clue me in.

Chris

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Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 09-22-2001 04:40 AM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Chris, back in the day they used nitrate film. From what I've heard the quality was superior to current film in many respects. However, the stuff was EXTREMELY flamable. So much so that you had to have an operator physicaly standing/sitting next to the projector the entire time it was running just in case something went wrong. Check out the videos section of this site for some neat footage of nitrate film on fire.

So, due to the volatility of nitrate film, the major studios switched to acetate film in the late 50's/early 60's. Acetate film was non-flamable, however, it had/has a tendancy to decay over time, something know as 'vinegar syndrome.' Do a search of these forums and you'll find plenty of threads on the topic. So today we use estar based film. Non-flamable and isn't susceptable to vinegar syndrome.
Both Acetate and Estar based films are known as 'Safety Film' due to the fact that they are non-flamable. If you ever come across nitrate film be extremely carefull how you store it. I don't know the proper procedure so I'll let someone else fill it in, but to be on the safe side you should avoid it at all costs.

If I got any of these facts wrong, feel free to flog me.

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 09-22-2001 09:46 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For years the paper reel bands for nitrate film were printed in red ink with the words NITRATE FILM in large letters and safety film were printed in green with the lable SAFETY FILM

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Mathew Molloy
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From: The Santa Cruz Mountains
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 - posted 09-22-2001 02:04 PM      Profile for Mathew Molloy   Email Mathew Molloy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think the reason SAFETY FILM is still printed on the reel bands, etc. is that there are fire code laws in some cities stating that only safety film is allowed in the projection booths. I guess that if a fire inspector needed quick proof you would just flash them the paper band. I know some codes require a sign on the booth door stating "safety film only".

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