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Author Topic: Tape both sides? Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-08-2003 09:02 PM                     Regarding the splicer modification in the TIPS section, is there a comparable modification for the CIR splicers? That's all we have to work with (along with our choice of "frame-to-frame" or opaque yellow tape) and I would like to be able to make better splices with these. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Joe Beres Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 606 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-08-2003 09:29 PM                     By "frame to frame," do you mean zebra (The kind with the frameline marked in yellow) tape? Please throw all of your opaque yellow tape in the trash, and see if you can't convince your theater to use clear tape only. Filmgoers and film handlers will greatly appreciate it. (Sorry I can't answer your CIR question)  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-08-2003 10:06 PM                        Thomas, you can do the same with the CIR splicer, it's the same procedure. Just remove the two screws on the right side (below the cutting blade) and shim it with some scrap film.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-08-2003 10:37 PM                     At the old Circus Drive-in in Anacortes, we didn't do two-sided splices with actual splicing tape. Only single side. Of course, we were running Brenkert BX-60's..and we never had a splice separate while running that I can recall. Those old Brenkerts just smoothly passed them right through with no problem. I tried that in a Simplex house once, and it was a disaster! One screen had an Eprad Sword and the other had two projector 6000-foot reels. At first when I went to work there, the owner said, "Thou Shalt Not Use Double Sided Splices!" Personally, I thought he was nuts! He said "Trust me" and I did. I never had a splice fly apart either during rewind or during the show, probably because of those good 'ole Brenkerts. And, no, we were not running first run prints. We were running prints that were one step away from being junked. They were in such bad shape I often wondered how they made it through the projector, but hardly ever did the Brenkerts protest about the condition of the film. It was like the Brenkerts just accepted the fact that we were running crap, and did their job. What type of splice tape did we use? Well, it was 1/2-inch wide J-Lar. We ran out once due to an over-sight, so we used Scotch tape. Yeah - the stuff you use to tape worthless memos to the wall that nobody reads. Of course, we did double-side tape splices with that stuff... But they held for the entire run of a feature. Maybe it was "Film Done Wrong"....but we didn't care. The people that came to the drive-in were just looking for a place to anyway. There was one thing we never figured out. People screamed at us to book some family films. So we did. Nobody came to watch them. So we went back and booked crap again, and we always had a crowd.  |  IP: Logged Adrian Steiner Film Handler Posts: 18 From: Baar, Switzerland Registered: Dec 2002 posted 01-09-2003 09:10 AM                     As I am an amateur projectionist at a student's cinema I'm very glad there will be a netiquette how reels should leave the booth. I learned it from an other student, he from another one and so on. So I like somthing like a "reference how to do it" made by professionals. It will fit very well in the tips section. A question that didn't occur yet (and may sound a little bit finicking): Does it matter which side of the film is out/in on a reel? I don't mean head/tail, but the emulsion and the other side of the film which name I forgot. In a thread about filmdamages Paul G. Thompson (IIRC) posted description of the several damages and how they were caused. IIRC a differentiation was made like: "Too much tension on the wound reel with emulsion side out causes x. Too much tension with the other side out causes y." So there seems to be a difference. But is it only important for a long term storage of films or does it matter for me as a film handler, too? On the other hand, there's of course leader at both ends. So it won't matter which layer is out...? Someone please tell me the correct expressions of the film layers. I guess the emulsion side is the one where fingerprints stain, the other is the shiny one? Thanks Adrian The way I treat the films (correct any mistakes): general: - wasch hands before starting - No cutting if it's avoidable buildup: - peel splicing tape - take off any splicing tape from previous splices, so that in the end there's just your own splicing tape on both sides. breakdown: - head and foot taped on one side with splicing tape - If there's a single frame acting as ID frame, I tape it on both sides to the leader and the film is taped on one side to that ID frame (In the way that the tape of the ID frame won't be peeled off when the next person takes the leader away.). - Don't use a tape for fixating the foot on the core, use the indentation in the core and tighten the foot after about 2 rotations. - Put the leader in the intendation in the core the way that it will NOT be folded. In Switzerland, the reels don't have something like a band to hold it. We always recieve them with the end of the leaders taped down with masking or ordinary scotch tape (or even worse: a cheap copy of scotch tape, that leaves a sticky mess on the leader); so I use masking tape and write on it "Head Akt 1" (Akt = reel) for easiest identification. But I will use on-one-side-folded-in splicing tape in the future. Projectionists from Switzerland, please post if there are some special Swiss habits how a film should leave the booth. (or drop an email if they're too rude to be posted here ) -- Alternative Processor CP200  |  IP: Logged Joe Beres Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 606 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-09-2003 09:34 AM                     Welcome, Adrian. It sounds like you are doing a whole lot of things correctly. In my opinion, a film should always leave the booth so that the next projectionist could take a reel, put it on the projector and run it. To me, that means that the leaders should be taped on, preferably both sides(just because I run changeover), and the film should be oriented so that the film will come off the reel in a counter-clockwise manner with the analog soundtrack towards you. The one major exception here is when you are getting a film from an archive that mauy have special instructions for how a film should be returned. In that case, just do as they request.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-09-2003 09:53 AM                        Kodak has a Film Handling Guide and lots of other information on it's website. Lots of good tips and information here on Film-Tech too: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/technical/hand.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/ http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h1/  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-10-2003 12:26 AM                     Joe -- "Frame to Frame" is a brand of clear tape. It's much harder to remove than Numade, and if not careful it can leave a residue. That's all we have unfortunately. And way too much of it to just junk it. If I were to throw away the opaque yellow tape, I would probably get fired. I've thought of the idea already, heh. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-10-2003 12:36 AM                        Thomas, you'll just have to waste more tape per splice to get ride of it all.  |  IP: Logged

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