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Topic: Tape both sides?
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Jeffry L. Johnson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 09-22-2001 02:31 PM
Here's a posting from the Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.movies.tech. CLICK HERE From: Steve Kraus (screenNOSPAM@filmteknik.com) Subject: Another sign civilization is crumbling Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.tech Date: 2001-09-20 15:14:03 PST When we give up and codify the methods of the barbarian hords it's a sure sign civilization doesn't have much longer.
Found this notice in a film can. Note that the same can be better accomplished by making single sided conventional splices with quality tape. You don't think they're going go buy artist tape at $5-8 a roll. This just codifies hanging leaders on willy nilly with masking tape. ---- ATTENTION PROJECTIONIST Leaders are attached to the body of this print with *temporary* artist tape splices. They must be removed and respliced. -> These temporary splices WILL NOT run through a projector <- For 2000ft/changeover operation, the white artist's tape MUST BE REMOVED and standard splices made at the joins in the usual manner. For platter and 6000ft long-play reel operation remove the white artist tape and leaders from the 2000 ft reels and splice the body of the print together in the normal way. This method of attaching leaders to the body of the print preserves the integrity of the film by eliminating unnecessary splicing and resplicing at the leader joints. The print is shipped on 2000 reels but almost all engagements now mount prints on platters or on long-play reels. Continued splicing at leader joins risks ruining multiple frames at the beginning and end of each reel. Attaching leaders with white artist's tape--without making full splices when breaking down the print--helps extend the length of time that the print will remain in a pristine condition. You can help extend print life by *not* making full splices at break-down but instead, attaching leaders at the joints by this temporary method. Even when making temporary splices, they must be made on a splicing block. NEVER simply attach leaders to the body by overlapping the ends of the leader and print. And make sure you use only white artist's tape--its adhesive is non-acidic and will not harden. NEVER USE MASKING TAPE; its adhesive hardens and inevitably will damage emulsion. If you do not have artist's tape, then an alternative method of attaching leaders for 2000ft reel ship-out configuration is to use regular splicing tape LENGTHWISE across the joint. Be sure to leave a small flap of tape turned under itself so that the tape can be easily peeled for the next build up for platter or long-play operation. If the print arrives with leaders attached with normal splices, PLEASE make your cuts on the SAME frameline of the existing splice -- DO NOT make additional cuts on new framelines. Future movie-lovers thank you.
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Dave Macaulay
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From: Toronto, Canada
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posted 09-22-2001 04:38 PM
I do some relief work locally, and naturally it's always at the oddball places - university screening rooms or rep houses (where the Union folk don't seem to want to go on short notice)and they're mostly changeovers. I want to put in as good a show as the equipment allows. I can't imagine a situation where I wouldn't have the time to check the head leader splices! I've always had time to check all the changeover cues as well, and to mark any missing ones (York U has closed magazines and no reel alarms - no fun). Anyway, I think single sided leader splices are fine for shipping. Preaching against them here is pretty pointless as any operator is going to see them, and worse, regardless. As long as the leaders are on the correct reels I don't complain much. I disagree about people cutting the splices off, I don't think it's so common. If it was, we wouldn't have any reference frames left at all. I occaionally remove the spliced frame but only on a platter makeup when the frame has had most of the emulsion pulled off - the yellow flash looks nasty on screen. Probably we've been spoiled in Ontario, the licensing of projectionists only ended this year. Presentation quality has already suffered, the shop is getting a lot of busted intermittents suddenly, and the prints must be suffering too.
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Wes Hughes
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From: Raleigh, NC, USA
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posted 09-22-2001 10:30 PM
Now, I know I am going to get a few death threats over this, but I am a fan of NO tape at all. Just tuck the head/foot tightly under a few convolutions of the main film roll.I know this isn't "proper" as I was union trained and my union mentor would flog me if he knew I did this! I still occasionally run a 20min changeover booth, and I nearly ALWAYS recieve prints that CANNOT be run (in this respect) right out of the cans. 1 minute is all it takes to take care of the head splice of reel one, and then you have at least 15 minutes to get busy on the other reels. Even when I get a film late at the changeover house I would still rather the head/foot be UNattached completely. (please don't hurt me! I really am a great guy!)
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 09-23-2001 09:58 PM
"Best Practice" is to use tape on both sides of the film. While I agree tape on one side will usually be caught and repaired before the next screening, there is always the chance that someone will have no time to inspect the print (e.g. due to a late delivery), and have the splice fold up and jam in the projector. Not reattaching the leaders at all is very poor practice , as the film will not be properly secured, and the ends will be likely to cinch. Using anything other than high quality splicing tape is also very poor practice.One-side vs. Both-sides is a matter of judging the risk: taping only one side risks a projector jam if not found before running the print, taping both sides risks a lazy projectionist just cutting out the splice rather than carefully peeling off the tape, losing frames that eventually add up to a significant loss of continuity. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Brad Miller
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posted 09-24-2001 01:29 AM
Let's be honest here, most projectionists will not waste their time trying to peel off the tape on a double sided splice. They will just cut one frame over. It is for this reason that I can not ever recommend double sided splices for breakdown.Those who are too cheap to use splicing tape and use masking tape should not be in the booth. Frequently the tape leaves a residue that ruins SEVERAL frames. Even Artist's tape will leave a residue once it has been applied to the film and the passage of time occurs. Those who elect to not make any splice at all should also not be in the booth. What about a late delivery where a changeover theater has to check the head splice and run the show cold? That's real good for the tail end of the film to be slapping around the takeup while the projectionist starts the incoming projector. Also equally annoying is during a rushed platter buildup (either on the rewind bench or on the platter MUT). Not having the tail leader reattached can easily destroy the end of the reel as it is slapped around if the projectionist does not catch it.
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Jerry Chase
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From: Margate, FL, USA
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posted 09-24-2001 07:30 AM
A lot of clipped frame damage is because of projectionists cutting one frame over, as Brad says. Thinking about the situation, I'm of the opinion that the tape that is supplied for splicing isn't the best tool for the job. I envision a splicing tape that does not have adhesive along one edge, but has a 1/8th inch strip of just the base. By having this loose flap on the trailing edge of the splice, it would not interfere with normal operation, but could be easily grabbed and peeled at breakdown. I understand how tape is made, and that trying to make a tape like this would be difficult, but such a tape would encourage proper breakdowns of prints and less loss of film at makeup. I suppose someone could try to find some thin clear plastic half circles to slip under the trailing edge of a splice in the picture area, and use that as a splice removal tab, but it isn't the easiest or best solution.
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Joe Beres
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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posted 09-24-2001 11:22 AM
I work at an educational institution that runs films for classes and also for a program. We are an archive approved changeover house, and run nothing but 2000' reels. We run all sorts of films, from newly restored films from archives around the world to old, beat-up hollywood prints. I am lucky to be able to say that I hand inspect every (99% of the time) reel of film that I project, so I can't speak for projectionists that are forced to run films "out of the can." My first concern in this matter is for the print itself. If every projectionist took some time and care in prepping and breakdown of films, we wouldn't have prints with missing frames (or footage!) at the heads and tails, unexplainably dirty heads and tails, or residue from masking (or even duct(i am not kidding)) tape. So what is the best solution? I completely agree with Brad. The one side tape method would work well. A one sided tape splice would run through most projectors. If a projectionist has time to inspect it, then a second splice can be applied. If a projectionist does not have time to inspect, and has a projector that is hard on single sided splices, then I would recommend keeping a splicer in the booth. Once a film is threaded up, you could reel the rest of the leader off and pit the second head splice on. That would not require much time, and at least the head of the film would be protected. Double spliced leaders lead to more splices made by people too lazy to peel off the tape, and eventually to lost frames and choppy heads and tails. Hot taping the leaders at all can lead to nightmares. I once received a film that had all of its head and tail leaders shoved in the bottom of the cans, and some that didn't have any reference frames that would indicate which reel was which. i ended up having to watch the entire film on a steenbeck while comparing it to a video copy to discern the reel order. Whoever had last broken down the film paid no attention to the correct reel length. The projectionist merely filled reels starting at the fifth reel. The changeovers ended up in the middle of the reels, and much of the film was badly damaged. It took almost 8 hours to figure the whole mess out. This is a worst case scenario, and I'm sure that no one that takes the time to look at any of the information on this website would do anything of the sort, but these people are out there. The more projectionists there are that handle prints properly, the longer prints will last, the better prints will look, and the more people will have a great experience at the theater and not give up the want to go to the cinema. If anyone has actually read my lengthy rant, I thank you. I look forward to your responses. Joe
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