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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 04-06-2002 11:09 AM
Unfortunately, when Miramax released CP here in the US they claimed it was 1.85 (as per the official info in the Film Journal at the time). And true, Miramax etched the subtitles so they would play ok if run at 1.85, but if you did crop to 1.85, you would immediately see that the film was composed for the European standard of 1.66. How can you be sure? Well, if you have eyes, you can see how the compostiion is compromised at 1.85. If you crop to 1.85, there are shots where it is obvious that significat portions of the image is being cut. For example -- there is a long shot where a character stands close to the top of the picture. If you rack the frame correctly so that the subtitles are EXACTLY at the bottom of the picture, the guy's head is cut off by the top mask. If you get his head the frame, the subtitles fall below the bottom edge. The other downside of printing subtitles at 1.85 when a film is composed at 1.66 is that the subtitles are unnecessarily high into the picture, more of a distraction than they have to be or would be if they were printed at the bottom of the 1.66 frame. Then again, if I were a distributor who knew that 99% of my potential bookings would only be able to project at 1.85 and would have trouble if subtitles were down at the 1.66 bottom edge, then I guess I would be pragmatic and etch them at 1.85 too. But since each individual print is etched separately, I would at least make a few 1.66 prints so that somewhere, someone, even it is just a few people in an art house someplace, would be able to appreciate the film as the director intended. Actually, I take that back, maybe 99% of the commectial multiplexs don't have the lenses to play 1.66 flat, but since the Mirimax market is substantially the art house circuits, most of us DO have correct lensing for almost all formats. 1.66 is no big deal. If they re-release in June, maybe it's not to late to get them to etch a few 1.66 prints.
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Michael Brown
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From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001
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posted 04-06-2002 01:16 PM
quote: Then again, if I were a distributor who knew that 99% of my potential bookings would only be able to project at 1.85 and would have trouble if subtitles were down at the 1.66 bottom edge, then I guess I would be pragmatic and etch them at 1.85 too. But since each individual print is etched separately, I would at least make a few 1.66 prints so that somewhere, someone, even it is just a few people in an art house someplace, would be able to appreciate the film as the director intended.Actually, I take that back, maybe 99% of the commectial multiplexs don't have the lenses to play 1.66 flat, but since the Mirimax market is substantially the art house circuits, most of us DO have correct lensing for almost all formats. 1.66 is no big deal. If they re-release in June, maybe it's not to late to get them to etch a few 1.66 prints.
Maybee 1.66:1 image within a 1.85:1 image area (black matts on the side of the image) would be a good idea ??? (double post sorry)
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-12-2002 07:29 AM
Hopefully, the prints (leaders and cases) will be clearly labeled that the intended aspect ratio is 1.66:1. Unfortunately, the filmmaker's intent is often poorly communicated to the theatre and projectionist, as most theatres specializing in this type of picture will make good effort to show the film at the intended aspect ratio.------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 04-15-2002 03:46 AM
Absolutely - the number of wasted hours I spent playing 'guess the ratio' on Friday mornings when they could have just told me beggars belief.Steve Guttag writes: quote: I greek friend of mine said it was pretty typical for the small town theatres to only have one projector. An intermission was expected on all films. I think it was on hour reels though rather than 20 minutes.
Yikes! 6,000 feet of nitrate stock on a single spool? No wonder that fleapit burnt down! When I showed nitrate we had a very strict rule - 1,000 feet per reel maximum. Any prints which came in 2,000 lengths were split up, with new acetate spacing and head leaders being added as appropriate. The heat and expanding gases caused by 6,000 feet going up in an enclosed magazine would probably cause an explosion.
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