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Stephen Jones
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From: Geelong Victoria Australia
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 - posted 03-11-2000 10:37 PM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
After reading this thread I would have too argree with both Erica and Gordon on this subject.

Stephen Jones.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 03-11-2000 11:01 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Might I recommend this time saver:

Before you build up your prints on Thursday night, take a piece of masking tape about 2-3 inches long and place it on the non-soundtrack side of your reel. On this tape, take a marker and place a line where the film roll ends and make a notation of the reel number also on this tape. This way, when breaking the print down, you will see virtually exactly where to start slowing down. Just make sure to use a piece of tape to do this and don't mark on the reel as if this practice ever becomes widespread, differentiating between other people's marks will be damn near impossible.

Also, don't worry about peeling the tape, just tear it between your fingers and single side splice the leaders back on. "If" the next theater cares about that frame, they can peel the tape off. If that next theater doesn't care, they'll cut one frame (or more) over anyway. The bottom line is it won't slow you down a bit if you simply tear the splices. (However, with Neumade tape it really takes no extra time to peel the tape.)

NOTE: Do NOT and I repeat do NOT "cut" the splice apart with a pair of scissors or using the splicer cutter blade. Always tear the splice or those two frames will never line up again should the next operator want to save them.

Hope something there helps.

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Dustin Mitchell
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The tape on the reel is a good idea, will implement it on my next build (Final Destination).

I always tear the splices. I will not cut off the old frames now that you mention it. It is a good compromise.

BTW, the clear splicing tape we use is called "Frameline."

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Brad Miller
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Aha! That "Frameline" tape is crap. Trying to peel that tape is basically an impossibility. Personally, I'd rather use Scotch tape from an office supply store.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 03-12-2000 01:59 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>"Well, obviously I care about my work. The fact I'm on these forums and the fact that I have worked for mininum wage for 2 1/2 years (and I will never get a raise unless the mininum wage goes up, that much has been said) proves that."<<

Just how close is the nearest theatre to the one you are currently working? If you are being paid a wage below what you feel you are worth, QUIT!!!

By definition, you would be making no less than you are now no matter where you went to and perhaps they would be better at supplies and having the equipment repaired (presuming you were still an operator). Why stay in what appears to be a crappy job (over worked, under paid with poor working conditions) for minimum wage? Around here, you can't get high school kids to work for minimum wage because there is always some store (not necessarily a theatre) that needs employees so much they pay more.

In short, don't use your circumstance to justify your treatment of a print (be it cutting a frame, or splicing with opaque tape); work somewhere where your talents will be appreciated and your skill can improve.

Steve

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Dustin Mitchell
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The other theater in the area is even worse than us (see "What Theater is a Dump?"). Besides, I do like my job and the people I work with. I will be getting promoted to assistant manager soon (just found out today) with a wage of $6.50. Hopefully I will still be in charge of the projection booth.

As I said before, and will say again, I would peel the tape if I could. I will see about buying better tape, but if it is more expensive it won't get approved (we once bought $70 in bow ties, $5 a piece makes that 15, and the District office had a shit fit becuase we didn't get approval for it).

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Gordon McLeod
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Both Marble and CPI sell there tape direct
also Entertainment Equipment Corp sells the same brand 1 800 448 1656

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John Wilson
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 - posted 03-13-2000 12:37 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dustin,

When you say your framing is busted on the Century, what exactly do you mean? Where is it busted? There may be a way to get you back in frame in that theatre, you just won't be able to use it if you thread out of frame.

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Dustin Mitchell
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I don't a lot about the inards of the projector so I can't really say. The tech from MTS showed me one day briefly but I only understood partially. The framing knob just spins without effect. I believe the shaft is stripped or something like that. Problem is its behind a bunch of other crap meaning you'd literaly have to rip the whole projector head apart. He has told us it would be easier and cheaper to buy a new projector head than to fix it. Problem is Carmike is pretty tight with its cash right now. I doubt it will get fixed in the next year.

When I say noticably out of frame I do not mean you can see frame lines. I'd say it is out of frame by 1/4 to 1/2 of a perf. Bad enough for me to notice, but thankfully we haven't gotten any complaints about it.

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Scott Hicks
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Dustin,

It most CERTAINLY would NOT be cheaper to "buy a new projector" vs. repairing the frame shaft. It's even doubtful, that it would be easier to put on a new head, vs. fixing the problem. The problem is likely a stripped pin on the frame gear or perhaps a loose bracket. In either case, you're probably talking about $2-10 in parts. I'll bet there are at least a half-dozen guys in the Chicago area that could fix it in less than an hour.

On the peeling tape issue, you'll find that Neumade tape will peel right off with no sticky residue. It's a bit more expensive than others at $2.60 per roll, but if you feel the need to peel....

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Dustin Mitchell
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About the framing knob, I really don't understand the problem or the mechanism myself. All I know is that the tech from MTS, who is pretty good at what he does, tried explaining to me one day why he can't fix it. For some reason though this guy has no concept of time, and when he tried explaining it I was on my way to start 5 movies all at the same time. Of course I did not pick up most of what he said. Just that we need a new projector head.

About the spicing tape, I will try to get my manager to either buy the good stuff or tell the district office to buy the good stuff, however it works. In the end though it is out of my hands.

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William Hooper
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quote:
There was a brenkert Steropticon for intemissions in the 3+ hour films

I've seen those advertised going back to the silent days.

Were they called steropticons because they projected 3-D slides? Or what?

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Ari Nordström
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Re this splicing business:

Most of the prints I run are archive prints more than thirty years old. A few of them have lost so many frames that the original c/o marks aren't there anymore. They were lost with those frames.

I'm not allowed to make cuts in the archive prints because they are the last of their kind; if they go, the audience won't get a rerun of that film again unless someone digs up a new reel or reels. It follows that I have to run every show with five or six c/'s, double that number with the russian prints. Every reel start or end that was massacred earlier in its life becomes painfully obvious to me, and to the patrons. I guess the projectionists that handled these prints thirty years ago didn't think that the prints would be archived one day.

The job is not well paid, far from it, but I have accepted doing it anyway since I can't stand the thought of not doing it. I love the job, even though I curse these old prints every now and then. (I always long for the few preview shows we get, those beautiful prints with all the bells and whistles: Dolby Digital, Scope, flawless colours, you name it. I even get to splice them. )

But yes; every now and then, I work as an extra at the local multiplex and see what happens to these marvellous new prints when the management cares more about the the dress code than the correct handling of prints or the projection equipment. It's sad, and I know how hard it can be to set up a decent booth in those conditions.

I sympathise with you, Dustin, but I can't help but react, because eventually, some of the prints being mistreated end up in my hands, figuratively speaking.

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Randy Stankey
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Zebra Tape: Yeah, I agree that the kind with the dotted line is crap. I just mentioned that because it was the easiest way to say it that everybody would know. We have both kinds at TT-17. It depends on what they send us. We specify NEUMADE tape but they just keep sending us any old thing.

Cleaning Lenses: Turrets make life a whole lot easier in this respect! However, on my old Simplex, if one is careful enough to always seat the lens collar back into the projector so the alignment pin is all the way back into it's groove you won't have that problem. (As much) In fact, I can do a FLAT-to-SCOPE lens change in about 20 seconds and still have the lens 98% in focus. It's becasue I made sure that both lenses were in their collars the exact same way. (accounting for the difference in focal len.) The pin on the collar goes all the way back in to the alignment slot, snug. Then I make sure the lens is turned all the way clockwise (looking back toward the proj.) so the pin is against the side of the groove. -- Frankly, I'm one of those guys who doesn't believe in cleaning lenses until they need it... "Need it" = a little dust OK....any fingerprints, haze or schmutz BAD. Where I work, there are bone heads who would destroy the lenses if we had them cleaned every week. I prefer to do it myself on an as-needed basis!

Peeling Splices: At Mercyhurst we always peel splices! If I see 50 splices in a row at the head or tail of a print I clip 'em out. They won't go through a projector anyway! If you get one of our prints you will find ONE single-sided splice with all previous tape peeled off.
At Tinseltown, it's pretty much "anything goes"... I always peel. Another guy peels about 1/2 the time. Another guy uses masking tape. Other people do a god job if there is somebody watching. (Usually, I'm the one watching, even though I'm not PAID for it!)

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