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John Lasher
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My favorite movie theater (don't work there...yet) plays super hero/spy/action/kids tv themes from the 70s and 80s. It was okay the first couple times, but I've gotten into the habit of not showing up more than one minute before showtimes. There's a limit to how many times I can stand to hear those cheezy 80s singers grunting "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"

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Jesse Skeen
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When I own my own theater, the only device hooked up to the non-sync will be an 8-track player, and played most often will be one of the three tapes in the Columbia House set titled "Magic: The Very Best Music of the 70's" featuring all Muzak-style versions of 70's hits, including the theme from "Shaft" as performed by Percy Faith And His Orchestra. When I wanna have something more hip I'll play one of my K-Tel or Ronco tapes.

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Paul Mayer
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I'll second Joe Redifer's taste in non-sync programming. When I get to choose, I go with selected orchestral anime soundtracks, image albums, symphonic arrangements, or jazz tracks. It's all good stuff that doesn't get played in the US. I get lots of comments and queries from audiences whenever I program with it. Hard to go wrong with anything from:

Joe Hisaishi (all of Miyazaki's films, most of Beat Takeshi's films)
Yoko Kanno (Turn A Gundam, Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, Macross Plus) and her orchestrator/spouse
Hajime Mizoguchi
Shiro Sagisu (Nadia, Evangelion)
Yuji Ohno (Lupin III jazz)
Kenji Kawai (Ghost in the Shell, Blue Seed, Patlabor, Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Avalon)
Yuji Nomi (Whisper of the Heart, The Cat Returns)
Takayuki Hattori (Nadesico, Slayers)

There are domestic imprints of these titles now available in the US from ANIMEtrax, Tokyopop Music, and Disney imprint Milan Records. The Japanese versions of these discs are also available from Japanese bookstores or on-line from places like CD Japan, Amazon Japan, Anime Jungle (used goods), Mandarake (used goods), and Hoteiya Las Vegas (a little plug there since they're friends of mine ).

BTW I don't like to program vocals for non-sync. Too intrusive.

Later,

Paul
Last week in Long Beach, CA
Next week back in Las Vegas, NV
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Manny Knowles
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We pay an annual royalty to PRS here and we compile a mixed CD monthly with pop music and a few oldies and a song or two from movie soundtracks for a touch of variety.

During Oscars month, we try to program the nominated songs if we think they'll work with the rest of the pre-show music.

We do not play instrumentals too often. That style is reserved for special occasions. My favorite Soundtrack CD would have to be "The Hollywood Sound" featuring John Williams conducting The London Symphony Orchestra. Sixteen Oscar-winning themes.

The 2-Disc set by James Horner called "Titanic: The Essential James Horner Collection" is a VERY good buy as is another 2-Disc set called "Orchestral Film Music" by Michael J. Lewis.

I visited the Muvico "Egyptian" in Florida about two years ago and was really impressed with their selection of music (all orchestral soundtracks with no ads). The music is piped out as far as the parking lot. It's quite an experience.

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Mike Blakesley
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Have you guys heard the latest disgrace on Movie Tunes? They have Noel Blanc, son of the great Mel Blanc, doing pale imitations of Mel's characters with stupid lines like (as Sylvester) "Movie Tuneth ith heard on over 25,000 theatreth worldwide! Thufferin' thuccotath!"

It's enough to make a Looney Tunes fan puke.

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Tristan Lane
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Traditional Jazz & Blues (Coltrane, Sinatra, BB King) Are in my opinion some of the best music to listen to before a show.
Can't go wrong with Jazz!! (no, I am not talking about Kenny G or any of that progressive "Smooth Jazz" Crap.)

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Gordon McLeod
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The sound of the mighty wurlitzur or golden voiced barton or even a compton is the only reel theatre music

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Geoff Bradley
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Jesse, that's hilarious. Blew Pepsi clean out my nose. Brilliant!

Gordon, You're so right.

How about all that great stuff from DeWolfe? Most of the Drive in ads usually had music of his or close rip offs.

John Williams all the way!

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Frank Angel
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We make a big deal out of our preshow "concerts" We have a 1/2 sheet sized poster on a stand at the theater lobby that says "The Preshow Concert you will hear before this show is from a Compact Digital Disc." The there is a space for the pullout of the CD to be inserted and below that "Presented in 6 Channel Total Surround MegaSound (a logo)" "If you have a favorite CD from a movie soundtrack, or classical performance, let us know -- we will be happy to program it at a future engagement." A good portion of our audience is subscribers, so they are really into our preshow concert thing.

We play the concerts at full volume and mean it to be listened to. It definately is not meant to be background music. Since we are a performing arts center, we already pay both ASCAP and BMI so I can play anything I want, except religious music -- I think that is carried by the third licensing company (SECAM or something?) which we don't pay. I explain to our audience that we have a great sound system, we are happy to let them hear their favorite music on it.

We try to play soundtrack cuts from the film, or at least end the preshow program with one cut from the film that is playing. We play lots of classical, but we won't play opera, although we get many suggestions for them and on occasion I will play cuts from those "Opera without the Words" series -- we don't play any vocals at all for that matter -- strictly orchestral, mostly movie scores from the great classic films, a number of times we've done the Mighty Wurlitzer CDs -- always a crowd pleaser, Anime scores are always good and an occasional new age thing if someone begs us. We NEVER play Yanni, however

Our non-sync concert is programmed, sometimes with multiple discs if I am matching cuts from movie scores. Usually the concerts last from 25 to 30 min. At 2min before the end of the program, the house lights go to 1/2 house. At 45 secs. the house goes to the "Credits" light-level and at 10 secs. Projector 1 rolls countdown, curtain warmers begin to fade-out and just as the last cord of the NS music fades and barely overlaps the first chord of the filmtrack, the curtains open and the sound of the Warner Brother cartoon theme begins, curtain-warmers fully out, house to "Show" light-level and we are off and running. And THAT'S the way it's done, boys and girls!

We pass the CD L/R output through a Sansui VarioMatrix Type II Quadraphonic decoder which gives us Left Front, Right Front, Left Rear, Right Rear extracted from the L/R program material -- lots of nice ambience and stereo spread into the rear channels. It is also passed through a DBX 115 (not sure of the number, might be 112) Subbass Enhancement processor for the subwoofers; the mixing console sums LF & RF for the center channel, hence "6 channel Total Surround MegaSound." .
In the mid-70's I produced THEATEROCK; same principle as above, 25 to 30 min programs, only it was rock-based because I was doing it for our college cinematheque. We were getting audiences of 1000+ every show in our big theatre and the rock programs were not just a nice interlude, but they became a real crowd control mechanism. The audiences responded so well to them that I started a service for other college theatres (in those days, before video, they actually ran FILM in college movie programs). I supplied them in either reel-to-reel or cassettes format. Both had the program recorded in both directions so the tapes never had to be rewound. It was music only -- pure rock, and although I did voice-over work at the time, there was NEVER any "DJing" during the THEATEROCK preshow programs. The only nod I gave to radio was, before the last rock cut, a top-40 jingle bridged the cuts and was a signal to the projectionist that he had only a few minutes left to film start. We had about 10 colleges subscribing to the service. Some of you may have heard THEATEROCK before the films if you went to any college cinemateques from about 1974 to 1980, mostly in the midwest, NJ and NY.

I was always into making the wait-time that audience has to sit waiting in a theatre, more than just "fill." I always thought, this is a theatre sound system, why not play everyone's favorite music through it. I remember when we ran NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD for some 1800 college kids, the preshow was cuts from horror films with the last cut being an organ rendition of Bach's Tocatta & Fuge. Instead of doing all that lights fade and warmers fade, etc as above, when the last cord of that chilling piece ended, everthing in the theatre went instantly went to a total blackout, even the isle lights went out. As that happened, the very last item on the tape played at full volume -- it was a blood curdling woman's scream that panned around the theatre as everyone sat there in total darkness -- it made quite a number of girls scream as well. Ain't cinema fun!


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John Pytlak
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It's great to see SHOWMANSHIP is still alive!

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Charles Everett
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National Amusements must use Digital Music Express or a similar channel for non-sync. Much preferable to Movie Tunes!

I was at the NA Multiplex Cinemas at Town Center Plaza (East Windsor NJ) on 3/15. The jukebox channel for the non-sync that day had pre-Beatles rock 'n roll. [Cool] Lots of oldies-but-goodies plus a few "lost" tunes -- "I Hear You Knockin'" by Smiley Lewis (the original), "I Like Your Kind of Love" by Andy Williams, "Cradle of Love" by Johnny Preston. Cool lead-in to the movie I saw that day (Talk to Her).

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Carl Martin
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i am proud to say that so far this year i've seen 107 films without once having to endure a movie-tunes clone. last year i did a couple of times when i went to the ua galaxy in san francisco after they became a mock art-house. blecch. at least 2 chains and the several independents and reps around here are free of this scourge.

the castro theater has wurlitzer performances every day for the evening shows, with tunes relevant to the film (eg. last night "we're in the money" was played before "how to steal a million"). when they play "san francisco (...open your golden gates)", you know the film's about to start. unless it's 2001, in which case the last piece will be "also sprach zarathustra".

at my theater, the non-sync is my boss's band. i can only describe it as non-structuralist. once in a blue moon someone complains about it but it's never bothered me. one customer informed me the cd was skipping, and i told her that's how it's supposed to be, but went to check anyways. it was skipping! true story.

if the day comes when we have to use movie tunes, that will be the sad day when i quit my theater. i will not stand for that crap.

carl

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Manny Knowles
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quote:
unless it's 2001, in which case the last piece will be "also sprach zarathustra".
And then folks will hear it again when the film starts? I would say that you're stealing the movie's "thunder" by doing that. [Frown]

...and would you REALLY quit your job over non-sync intermission music? WOW!!!

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Bill Langfield
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Thought I'd say something since Charles brought this to the top.

On Thurdays at the first session of the day we have a 'mum's and bubs' special ($8.50 and kids under 5 free) and used to have to play this CD that was a promotion for a woman's magazine that had lyrics
'It's my day, it's a woman's day' OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

It wasn't that bad a tune, but HEY! - enough!!

Funning thing, I said to location manager (Im just projectionist now - got fired from management- thank god) I can't find the Woman's Day disc, she said if you do THROW IT OUT!! - It's GONE now!
(Guess you had to be there, sometimes THAT disc could be left in the 6 stacker, and 60 minutes of that lyric, drove everyone nuts, since the non-sync plays in all cinema, the foyer toilets etc)

Strange thing is after Womans Day magazine stopped sponsoring the session I got a few people coming out asking what happened to the great music - with tougue firmly pressed to cheek!

Music in general, I try to collect movie themes and play them.

Stuff like ET, Star Wars, 2001, Broken Arrow, Last of the Mohicans, Star Trek (the Motion Pic), 007 even the Love themes froms Superman, Days of Thunder etc.

FRANK, I love your showmanship too. We do a very similar thing at the Art House I work at.
60 seconds of OVERTURE is played (From above list eg 2001,Mohicans etc) - get automation to switch from 'house cd' to that cinema's tape deck, while mood lighting changes, and the main curtain rises, or opens (depening on cinema set-up), during this time the projector is up and running with a run down of junked trailers, and the cue foil is timed for the picture to hit the screen just as to overture finishes and the silk curtains open.

One of the cinemas the biggest, we have a real Mighty Wurlitzer, that Neil Jenson plays fri/sat/sun, so run manual for him on those sessions.

The Hayden Orpheum Picture Palace

Topic starter John Wilson knows this place well. - Hi John, where have gone? (Internet wise?)

Bill.

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Ben Neal
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Hey,

Here in Branson Mo, We play country music. It works well since country dominates the air waves down here at least. As long as we play new country. We get compliments. Before we had Karren Carpenter, Fleetwood Mac etc etc...

Ben

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