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John Walsh
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 - posted 10-30-2001 05:05 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Then the guy instead of learning from his mistakes runs out of the
theater and is never heard from again."

Actually, Nicole, the guy did you a favor!

As the equipment gets more automated, the bean-counters will think projectionists are less necessary. That's the way it goes, I guess.

Regarding carbon-arc; Really, it's better off gone. It was just too much work. I agree that the colors look better, etc. but improvment did not outweigh the disadvantages. Besides, can you imagine the average multiplex usher running carbon-arcs? I'd be happy if the building didn't burn down, never mind the print condition.

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Will Kutler
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Well John:

Carbon arc being too much work...your going to have to explain that one. But you are right in that carbon arc would not be approperiate for a large multiplex and would not be suitable with platters as carbons only last for a few reels.

As far as fires resulting from carbons. Once again you are going to have to explain that one. Remember the following.

Projection carbons are different from welding carbons! Welding carbons are a no no--and I have seen inexperienced operators try to use them!

It is imperative that carbons be properly stored--or they can be ruined.

When using carbons, do have the fire shield glass installed on the projector. This is really really critical with nitrate film!

Never, Never attempt to look at the arc directly--whether carbon or xenon! Actually I have been exposed to arc flash during arc welding twice. Once from a fluke defect in the welding mask and once from someone elses horseplay! Arcflash is not fun and can permanently blind you in a split second!

Whether working with xenon or carbon arc, always wear proper protective clothing to prevent injury.

Many of you probably destroy your used xenon bulbs in a garbage dumpster or the like? With carbons, always, always deposite used carbons in a sealed metal hazmat can with kitty litter. You might even cool them with a little water. Toss them away everynight in the garbage dumpster ONLY AFTER THEY HAVE THOURGHLY COOLED!

As long as the carbon arc lamphouse is properly sealed, is well maintained and cleaned, and is properly vented along with the projector fireshield hood glass, there should be no danger of a fire.

Am I missing anything, anyone?

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John Pytlak
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Will said: "...always deposite used carbons in a sealed metal hazmat can with kitty litter."

I assume you mean NON-FLAMMABLE (clay-based) kitty litter. Actually, when I worked with carbon lamps, we put the hot carbon ends directly into the fire-proof cans without any sand or litter (rattle-rattle). Just be sure NOT to use the cans as a trash can for flammable materials.

We collected the copper drippings for the Will Rogers fund.

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Bob Maar
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Now there is a memory. Copper drippings for the Will Rogers fund. Let's not forget the "Silver" jaws.

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Craig Hanham
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"Carbons too much work"
How tired can you be. If the lamp is running properly there isnt that muc work.
But i agree not appropiate for platter and only just for 6000' reels.
For a low use house c/o they are fine, and relatively easy to use but hard enough to stop fiddlers.
Anyway nuff said I would love to change to Xenon and 6000' reels and sell a projector but cant justify the cost.
Doesnt matter who comes to my booth as long as they follow MY rules.

Dont touch or I cut your fingers off.
You touch you leave without touching the stairs.
If i think you have touched you never come back.
If you upset me just piss off.

See simple rules even a 3 year old understands. my dog certainly does. As for the bean counters put it in their language; ie you touch and that requires callout from technician which blows out the maintenance budget and requires more capital cost.
they seem to understand that if not refer above.
Did I mention I am a manager

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John Walsh
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Will;

Like anything I say, it's really just my own opinion, based on my past experience.

When I ran carbons, it was non-stop work. By the time the lamp was cleaned, I had washed up, previous reel was rewound, the next reel was threaded .... it was time to make the c/o and do it all over again. I never had to rush; there was plenty of time to do everything. But I couldn't do nothing, either. We were not allowed to leave right after the last reel ended. We had to wait until the lamp cooled down enough to clean off the silver jaws to prevent permanent tarnishing.

My comment about fire is from dust up the stack. This was heavily stressed by older operators, and by the state police at the time of my test for an operators license (the state police regulate projectionists in Connecticut.) At one place that did not have a regularly-scheduled operator, all the temporary operators thought, "The regular guy must be cleaning the stack; I won't bother." There wasn't a fire, but it was close.

While this is going on, the arc on the operating projector has to be checked and tweeked. In two places I worked at, the electric AC voltage was not regulated that well- you could not rely on the self-feed. The lamp wouldn't go out, but it wouldn't keep the crater centered in the mirror focal point. When I worked in the open plains of middle New Jersey, the strong winds blowing outside during fall would sometimes blow down the stack, and put out the arc. You knew right away, because the feed motor would go full speed ... "BUZZZZZZZ....!"

In one place, there was no air conditioning in the booth (it was in the theater auditorium, though!) Nothing like being in a small booth with a small window on a hot summer day hefting 70mm reels every 20 min. (for 8-10 hours) while running Ashcraft 150's. In Connecticut, you had to have real fire trap rollers on the projectors, not the simple things in use now. Fire trap rollers will easily scratch film (especially 70mm) if they don't roll, so regular cleaning is needed there, too.

We simply dropped stubs in a deep tray. The tray had a notch filed on the edge. Any stub shorter than the notch was too short to use. The first person in for the day would just throw the stubs away in the regular garbage, since the stub had all night to cool.

I'm happy to report that 99% of the shows I ran were uneventful. But like anyone who has run carbons for awhile, I can tell stories of things like; forgetting to tighten the collet on the carbon rod, or watching arc water-cooling hoses jump because of no water flow, guessing wrong on how long a carbon stub would last (silver jaws weren't cheap even then), cheap carbon-savers that (because of heat) would let go of the carbon stub, being forced to use cheap carbon rods after UC discontinued their line, fans that died and by the time you find out - your mirror is cracked, carbon ends that drop off and burn funny until a clean end is burned (with people yelling about the poor light the whole time).

Carbon arcs are like those old restored, Model-T Ford fire engines you see. They are really cool, love to see them operate during the firehouse "open house", hope they never go away, but sure don't want to depend on them for my livelihood!

Sadly, as far as the copper dripping were concerned, the lead operator had his own fund.


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Gordon McLeod
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Copper dripping went to the projectionist's beer fund
I ran carbons for years with no major complaints other than it was more work

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Will Kutler
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Thanks John Pytlak for clearifying my "kitty litter" useage. I got into the habit of using this as a generic term. One thing that I do not remember being discussed on Film-Tech is OSHA standards and MSDS books/standards.

John Walsh: As far as the fire pinch rollers--I too have heard about them damaging film. But please keep in mind that those were one of the fire prevention standards for use with nitrate film. They can be eliminated when only using safety film, but i believe that the holders are needed in order to mount magazines if they are used. I also know what you are speaking of regarding hot unventilated booths running changeovers with a toilet right behind the projectors!

Fire prevention devices for use with non safety film as mandated by law included much of the following:

Booth being totally sealed from auditorium with metal shields over each port window connected by chain to a shaft with fusable links. Each projector and booth exit had an emerengcy handle to drop these shields over the booth windows in case of fire.

Enclosed magazines.

Fire loop shoe on projector that would trip and drop projector fire shutter in case of film breakage.

Projector fire shield glass

Fire pinch rollers

Already discussed metal cans for spent carbons.

Sealed metal storage bin for each reel of the print being shown

Isolated print storage room

Another isolated storage area for flamable booth supplies

The Tucson Fox Theater--a 1929 movie palace now being restored and due to reopen in 2003 had much of this stuff. It also had a posted metal sign in the booth regarding safety measures.

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Don Sneed
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Hey Will, When I first started as a projectionist in 1971, about my 3rd. month into the job, at a theatre that had everything you said above, a fire inspector came into the booth & wanted to see my operators permit, I said I didn't know anything about a permit, the inspector told me that it was a law that all theatres operators had a permit or I would be fined, possible go to jail & the theatre would be shut down !!! I was so scared being 17 & my first real job, I called our local union rep. he said that the theatres use safety film now, it's an old law on the books, he said to have the inspector call the union office....two days later the inspector returned, pissed off, just hoping to take me to jail , when I told him what was said to me, he said he will call the union, talk to the city attorney, will be back tomorrow with an answer on which they will pursue....he returned the next day, apologize, said it was an old outdated law :O ....whooaa weeee, I slept better that night... :P:

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Carl King
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Yellow splicing tape? Well, yes there are all kinds of tape on the market. I think now that most of us use the clear stuff. If that is what Kristen's theatre was supplying then that is what she had to use. No sense dumping on her < Bill.

In my booth I use clear splicing tape but place a small grease pencil line on the joint and then cover it with the tape. This keeps it from getting on the print or equipment ana makes the join easy to see when tearing down. The line is hidden by the shutter so no one sees it.


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Will Kutler
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Hi Don

Thanks for bringing that up about the permit. I had also been told by projectionists of yesteryear that their Union Cards and Licenses were posted in the box office--by law and not kept in their wallets. The purpose for this I was told was to be able to ID the projectionist in case of cremation due to a nitrate fire!

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Brian Hogan
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so i recently transfered to the local 24 plex from an 18. i would frequently watch movies at the 18 after my closing manager shifts because i wouldnt be able to watch them any other time. thanks to my few years as a projectionist prior to when i became manager, i always threaded and started the movie myself. never a problem.

a couple weeks ago in the 24 i came in to watch brotherhood of the wolf with some friends (who all work projection at another theatre) who had not seen the movie yet. they hepled me move the print and, afetr i examined the different platter stack, threaded the movie and started it. i saw the closing projectionist and felt i should inform him that i moved and started a print so he wouldnt freak out when he saw it playing.

"that sort of activity is frowned upon here.", he said to me. "i know you are the manager and you have the final say, but next time have a projectionist do that for you."

i guess its a good thing to take ownership of the booth so that things are done right, but i am the manager. if i scratch the film or blow up the projector, thats my ass... not the projectionist's. he doesnt seem to grasp that notion.

so now, i go in often for after hours screenings, even though it seems to be frowned upon by the master of the booth

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Jerry Chase
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Sorry Brian. I have to agree with the projectionist. Unless you are up there regularly you might not be aware of idiosyncracies or problems. As a manager/operator I would run film for myself. As a manager or DM, NEVER.

You also undermine pride in the projectionist and his pride of presentation when you "share" like this. I've know good projectionists who would as soon share their girlfriends as the booth.

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Will Kutler
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I agree with Jerry!

I have seen a g.m. who would go for months w/o stepping foot in a booth. A few times the person tried to thread up machines and the projectionist preempted possible aw !

Sure, if you make a mistake and damage film/equipment it is your ass.....but what about the patrons who paid good $$ to see a quality presentation....do they deserve to be subjected to damaged prints? As John P. would say.....FILM DONE RIGHT !

Generally speaking, if we did after hours screenings it had a purpose. Used studio prints that were first run features for inspection prior to opening day, prints that may have been difficult to build up, etc, etc...remember that the theater is a business and not your private screening room....what you do costs the theater $$.
Unlike IATSE, I only wish that I got paid for dry runs...especially for films I did not care much about watching.... !


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Miguel Angel Martorell
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In one of the multicinemas I work for, the office of the manager is INSIDE!! of the booth but he never touches a projector or tell us how to do our work and Iīm sure he can thread a projector but it isnīt his job. In the other cinemas I work, the managers usually doesnīt know the difference between a projector and a microwave oven so usually donīt visit us.

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