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Brian Hogan
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From: Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
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 - posted 02-05-2002 11:27 PM      Profile for Brian Hogan   Email Brian Hogan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
ah, yes... each booth is different, this is very true. but i see i failed to mention that the same guru of projection that got pissed at me failed to remove a glue splice out of a film when the maintenance manager told him about it. and wouldnt you know it, the very next day that film had an interruption caused by the very glue splice he was well aware of and failed to remove. all this because he felt the maintenance manager had no idea what he was talking about.

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Ethan Harper
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 - posted 02-06-2002 12:12 AM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Glue splice?

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 02-06-2002 02:51 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Cement splices are not used anymore. They don't work on polyester film.

Ultrasonic splices (some people call 'em "lab splices") can last longer then tape splices if they are properly made. There is no reason to assume that just because there's an ultrasonic splice in a film that it's going to break. Unless your projectors eat film (a rectifiable situation) or you're psychic.

As for the private screenings, every time a film is run it is put at risk of damage. Therefore, films should not be run more than necessary.

Personally, if I want to see a show, I either screen it on Thursday night or watch a public show. If I can't work that into my schedule, I either don't watch it or rent it on DVD. I rent a lot of DVDs.


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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-06-2002 04:07 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I've got to agree strongly with Jerry on this one too. (And no this has nothing to do with your current picture.) While you are most probably the exception, the cold hard fact is that when *most* managers who have not threaded in weeks, months, or several years cover for a projectionist and thread, *most* of the prints get damaged. A very valid point was also made about projectionist's pride in their presentation. I feel pretty strongly about that and if I was running a theater and a manager came in after hours and decided to run a film and one of the regular projectionists threaded it up...it's "no problem, just press start, enjoy the show, I'm leaving". If the manager goes in and threads it, there WILL be tension because managers do not thread every day and are usually a bit *out of practice*, plus all it takes is one performance to completely ruin a print and that would reflect poorly on ME! Not cool. Not one bit. Also moving a print to a "preferred" theater is out of the question. Prints should never be moved if not necessary. Your moving the print for an after hours screening means that the chances of it throwing or something going wrong are multiplied because #1 there is no operator in the booth checking over things randomly during the show and #2 the print was just moved, meaning it will have a better tendency to slide around on the deck.

Not trying to be an ass here, but really do consider the position you are putting that projectionist in. I think you will find if you ask the regular operators to thread it up in the same auditorium it is currently residing in and all you have to do is press "start" you won't get any slack about it in return.

On another note Adam is absolutely correct, polyester prints can only be "lab spliced" ultrasonically...and those do not break unless there is something seriously wrong with the equipment, or the film was threaded incorrectly, resulting in stress on the splice that weakened it. I assemble ALL of my prints with an ultrasonic splicer and they do not break.


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Peter Kerchinsky
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 - posted 02-06-2002 04:50 AM      Profile for Peter Kerchinsky   Email Peter Kerchinsky   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In reply to you all regarding management in the booth and yellow splicing tape.
Unfortunately in our ten-plex in Seattle we, meaning our union, has given up 3 shifts per week to management. They are trained, and I mean trained, by us, the union projectionists. We do not let them go solo until we, the union projectionists, feel they are qualified to run the booth. Until recently the only functions the management people were to perform were to thread, start, focus, frame and splice in case of a break. Now I hear they can move prints if that becomes necessary, which in most cases it does not. We've got them trained so if anything goes wrong on any of their shifts they are to let us know. I guess this covers our ass in case they do some print damage. We have been very lucky in that the management people do have some sense of a good presentation and we have few problems.
My partner in crime and I do all the print builds. We using nothing but what we call Tiger Tape from Neumade. So far, in the past ten years, we've had no problems with it. It's easy to peel when breaking down and it's not noticeable on-screen.
We never use yellow or white tape and probably never will.

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Bob Koch
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 - posted 02-06-2002 08:36 PM      Profile for Bob Koch   Email Bob Koch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I see some of these posts I really feel fortunate that I lived in the best of times. A manager in the booth was unheard of unless, it was of a personal nature or he was bored and you allowed him in there. He certainly did`nt belong there. The union protected us from these offal and I hope some of you don`t entertain the thought ,that, just because we were union members we did not posses technical skills. After my time in the booth I worked for RCA,Altec , Dolby and Lucasfilm TAP and no one said I was a dullard because I had an IATSE card in my back pocket. The xenon arc, the platter played in to the Arabian type exhibitors hands and now you have the complete rodent fornication that allows interplay between the popcorn and the projection room and the alleged manager. I just don`t understand how you can think anything about presentation when you are looking at 6 or seven screens with less than 300 chairs in the auditoriums. There must be something here I`m not seeing. I know from this site there must be many of you who are dedicated, but it must very difficult for you to be rewarded, not only financially, but with praise for your efforts with the niggardly,bean-counting circuits we have today. I`m glad I worked in the time frame I did. Good, promotional managers, who could have cared less about the booth if you were doing your job arc lamps and large auditoriums to work to and circuit offices many miles away that had not as yet come onto the brainstorm of picking people off the street or from the Greyhound Depot to install in the projection room. .

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Will Kutler
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 - posted 02-06-2002 09:14 PM      Profile for Will Kutler   Email Will Kutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Peter, why did you have to give up 3 shifts per week, and train these jokers? I sure hope you were well compensated for passing on your knowledge!

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 02-06-2002 09:42 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bob, Seen any good movies lately? Umm, never mind, on second thought that seems pretty unlikely.


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Rachel Gilardi
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 - posted 02-06-2002 10:37 PM      Profile for Rachel Gilardi   Email Rachel Gilardi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, not to get on anyone's bad side here but I feel bad that Brian is left all alone on this one. I have to side with him...

It's true that many managers don't know a projector from a microwave , but those are the ones who are usually not in the booth in the first place.

I agree that the projectionist runs the booth, but what happens if the projectionist has to train someone? Why not train the manager so if something happens to the projectionist they can cover for them instead of being left out in the cold to mess up the booth. There are many circumstances where both sides of this argument could be correct. It just depends on where you are, how your booth is run, and what your manager is like. (I know, some of the managers don't want to be taught and maybe think they know it all...I understand complaining about people like that)

As a manager who tries my best (I'm the first to admit I'm not a natural) in the booth and knows many MANY others who do the same, downing on all managers in the booth just isn't fair. Certain instances (naming no names) I know a manager who is actually better then the projectionist in the booth...what about him? Should he not go in the booth of the building he is running just because there are union guys up there?

We run the building, if anything goes wrong in the booth (depending on the theater) we are the ones who have to take the heat from either the owners or the upper management. Saying that a manager should not run a show in my opinion is not fair. If you really think your managers are that bad, why don't you try to help them instead of complaining about them? (Please forgive me if you have tried to help them or teach them, I only know from the theaters I have worked at and every one of them had managers that cared about film presentation as much as the projectionists...in some cases the managers were the projectionists) It just seems like the projectionists do not give us a chance....TEACH US!!!

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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 02-07-2002 01:23 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, Im gonna keep this more restrained than I really Want to. I am not going to give my opinion of the IATSE, I really really want to but for legal reasons I cant right now, But boy do I want to. I could tell you things that would make everyone on this forum cry. IMHO Managers are responsible for thier building. If anyone told me I shouldnt or couldnt be somewhere in MY building. That would be the end of that. I am a projectionist as well as a manager. I was a full time projectionist before my management career and can run a better booth than a lot of poeple I know who do that soley. Anyone who says that because someone is a manager they cant run a booth is stupid, and ignorant. Oh BTW Thank you Rachel.

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Jacob Huber
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 - posted 02-07-2002 02:26 AM      Profile for Jacob Huber   Email Jacob Huber   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At my theatre, all of the male and one of the female managers that I know started as floorstaff and worked their way up through the ranks, including a long stint as projectionist, before becoming managers, so they pretty much know as much, if not more than even the head projectionit(s). This being said, if one of us doesn't know the answer to a question, the manager on duty usually does, since s/he has probably been in the same boat at one time or another. And if all esle fails, we ring our 24 hour tech support guy, who also was a projectionist before becoming a manager before becoming tech support guy.

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 02-07-2002 02:42 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Assume that we all know that there are managers who know the projection booth and then there are managers who think they know the booth.

Now, since we're talking about a situation where a manager is new to a theater, we can assume that the projectionist doesn't really know if the manager is as good in the booth as he says he is.

For that matter, let's just drop the manager designation all together. If you were in charge of this large booth, would you just set someone (manager, DM, projectionist) free to move prints and run films on their own without working with that person a little bit and getting to know that person and their abilities?

What would the response be if the manager walked into the office to find the projectionist closing out the box office out of the blue?

At least he was polite about a stranger playing with his baby.

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Rachel Gilardi
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 - posted 02-07-2002 03:41 AM      Profile for Rachel Gilardi   Email Rachel Gilardi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
But, not to sound like I'm pulling rank or ignorant. The manager runs the whole building (including booth)...the projectionist just runs the booth, there has to be some sort of compromise. The manager and projectionist have to learn to work together. I let my projectionist run the booth completly but if something happens while its my shift (no matter who is up there), I take the blame.

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Brad, you're pretty darn Chipper yourself!!!

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-07-2002 03:52 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree with BOTH sides here, but in a theater you've got THE manager, and then some assistant managers below that person and then supervisors under them and so forth and so on. The manager can not actually run the entire theater, otherwise there would be no need for staff. Thus, the manager has to delegate the jobs to people and what is trying to be said here is that many projectionists take their jobs VERY seriously. Heck, I've heard there are even entire web sites dedicated to "film done right"!!! Can you believe that craziness?

So what I think the guys are trying to say is that when a theater has a *good* projectionist who takes his job very seriously and feels his presentation is a personal reflection on him (like me and a lot of others here), when a manager (who has every right in the world to come up into the booth and do whatever he/she wants) decides to run a movie and basically walks right by the projectionist, moves a print to his "preferred" auditorium and then threads it up and runs it, that IS being rude and it definitely shows off as arrogance. Sorry, but it is.

Now on the flip side, what about the theaters with *decent* projectionists where the managers are actually much better operators? Simple. Those *decent* projectionists aren't going to give a flip about what happens! They are just there for weekend beer money. Sure there will be some projectionists who aren't as good of an operator as the manager, but the way I feel about it, the manager should think back to the last time something went wrong with the shows and had to hand out passes. Has it been awhile? How about the prints? Are they clean and scratch-free? Basically, if the presentation is very good or better, LET the projectionist be an arrogant little shit...because he is giving you a great presentation! Now if the presentation isn't too swinging, push him out of the way and let him storm off and quit. Then you can get someone GOOD in there.

I think Mrs.Chipper said it best though. The manager and projectionist HAVE to learn to work together. Show the projectionist a bit of respect and odds are that projectionist will show you respect in return.


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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 02-07-2002 11:02 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If you are a manager and your projectionist isn't close to or above the quality projectionist you are, you have problems. Those problems are best handled by training and instilling a sense of pride, not by running your own shows.

Brad hit on a key point, delegation of duties. Many circuits load stuff on a manager and reduce staff until the manager gets the attitude that he is a jack of all trades. Stepping into an employee's job may seem normal, but it is not.

I can't envision most of the folks here deciding an auditorium isn't clean enough, and going in and cleaning it themselves after hours when there is a janitor on the payroll. Admit it, being able to run projectors has a fun and cool factor which sometimes seems more important than respecting the person whose job it is to run them.

Yeah, as a manager you are responsible for the entire building. It does NOT give carte blance to do whatever you want. There are rules and guidelines set up by corporate or owners because -guess what- THEY are ALSO responsible for the entire building.

I was a DM long enough to learn that shit runs downhill, and if a manager or assistant screwed a print, somehow it got blamed on the guy "we trained in the booth, but fired last week."

I wonder if some of the managers moving prints and doing their own showings are doing it because they want confrontation with the projectionist. Of course, every situation is different, so that brush might be a little broad.

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