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Topic: High-Magenta & Cyan Soundtracks
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 10-23-2000 07:10 AM
>>"Please reread the first sentence in my post. There's several "Ifs" there. As far as "it" never happening... Seems like there's been several reputable persons, lately, saying that "it" is. Why would they all lie? "<<Yes there is an "if" in there but your analogy hinges on that if, a flawed if. As to the reputable persons....it isn't a matter of lieing, it is a matter of wishful thinking and deliberate propoganda to cause the action. These reputable persons have a lot to gain, financially, by the conversion so their statements should be considered quite suspect. Do you realize that the conversion to cyan tracks would give Dolby a better lock on analog sound in cinemas than Dolby Stereo ever did or will. There is Dolby's LED, Jax's light and the laser people. Look at the numbers of manufacturers using Dolby's LED. If that was your company, would you want to push for it? Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 10-23-2000 06:39 PM
Greg:>>"Yes and somehow the better sound you get from reverse scan is a conspiracy as well."<< Not hardly. Now that is easily verifiable as to its virtues. >>"Personally I believe that those manufacturers you are implying are driveing this conspiracy for profit are in fact providing a service and are operating on and reporting information rather than creating it."<< You certainly are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Mine is based on continual meetings with those involved and continual observation. To think a business wouldn't try to steer an industry towards it's best interest is naive. That is what a good business does to boost it's market. When evaluating data, it is a matter of questioning the source of your data and look at it in that manner. I never said these people were evil just that I don't approve of the scare tactics being used like the coversion dates issued. When the committee says something to the affect that the EPA is going to regulate something out of existance and you ask when specifically they are going to do it, you get a "well they haven't done anything yet"(or some statement to that affect)...it makes me question further. If the cyan track was actually a superior track, it would be an easy sell...in fact, it is an inferior track. Therefore, why the push at this time when there is no legal reason to do so? If it is just forward thinking, then lets skip the whole cyan thing and go straight to digital projection. That is more likely to happen and would be the most environmentally conscious thing to do as well. Then again, running with film until digital projection is financially feasable probably makes more sense....just like the cyan track, it makes no sense at this time. It is inferior and should be kept on the back burner until such time (and that time may never come) it is leagally needed. >>"I'd check under my bed for large pod looking things and any communists that might be lurking there"<< Certainly and un-called for statement Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 10-24-2000 09:15 AM
>>"Un called for statement? You're calling some people I know and like liars. You expect peopled to not get a little POed when you do this? I thought my response was pretty contained considering the accusations you're hurling"<<I never once called any of them liars. And what accusations? That the people pushing the cyan track have the most to gain by it? That is fact. In fact, I find them smart businesspeople. And believe it or not, I have rather cordial relationships with all of them, even after expressing my concerns at meetings. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Frank Prete
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From: Victoria, Australia
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 10-25-2000 01:20 AM
Hey Gordon, you said: ...I think we will probably see DLP long before we see mainstream implimitation of cyan tracks... Mate, if people can't agree on a date to change one part of a piece of film, can you imagine how much harder it will be to get them to agree on scrapping it completely! I think the previous fourty odd posts proves that. The same arguments will come up again - the studios win and does the exhibitor pay the cost etc... With regard to changing your machines over to reverse scan set-ups, why bother at all with Jax lights or any other imitations. Get the proper units to suit your machines and in the process, buy reverse scan readers that can handle Dolby Digital. Sure they are not as stable as penthouse readers, but once they are in upgrading to digital if you don't have it will be easy as pie. Steve, I'm sure this ads more weight to the Dolby strongarming the market theory, but hey let face it - red LED reverse readers are a wonderful invention that as exhibitors we have an excuse to install. Cyan or no Cyan, I know that there are a lot more theatres in our chain that we will be able to run digital in as a result of the change. And that far outways any and all improvements to the analogue sound. Greg, I checked under my bed. Whilst I didn't find any communists (the cold war finished a while ago), there were some strange pods... Frank The only 15 letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is uncopyrightable.
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