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Michael Barry
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It's such a shame, precisely because the technology for putting superior 70MM quality on those massive screens is all readily available and has been for years. Despite technological advances, motion picture exhibition is less than what it could be...

Does anyone think that Michael Bay/Jerry Bruckheimer might strike 70MM prints of 'Pearl Harbor' in the same way that James Cameron did for 'Titanic'?


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Bobby Henderson
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The announcements I have seen thus far for "Pearl Harbor" show it to be a 2.35:1 release with 35mm Quad Format prints only. I'm not holding my breath for any 70mm prints of the film, even though Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer have the clout to get such a thing done. Overall, I think most filmmakers believe the 70mm thing doesn't really matter. It seems like James Cameron is really the only guy left with any interest in mainstream 70mm 5-perf theatrical presentation. He had to dig into his own pockets for the 10 70mm DTS prints made for "Titanic". Paramount and Fox wouldn't pay for the prints.

The even more difficult thing now is the vanishing sites that served 70mm well. Even though the metro Dallas and Oklahoma City areas near me have some 70mm-equipped houses, they are on the order of smaller auditoriums where 70mm blowups from 35mm are not going to offer much of a visual improvement. Those theaters were built before 35mm digital became common, when the only way to have great quality multi-channel sound was by way of expensive mag-coated 70mm Dolby A and SR prints.

One of the things I still mourn is the loss of the GCC Northpark Mall 1-2 theater in Dallas. The #1 THX screen was just awesome. Sound and projection quality was always superb. Films like "Crimson Tide," "Apollo 13," "Jurassic Park," "Vertigo" and "Titanic" (the last two of those being 70mm DTS shows) had a great impact by way of that cavernous 1100 seat theater. Films just don't hit you the same way when shown in some 30-plex where many of the theaters have fewer than 100 seats. I had no problem at all driving 200 miles to see a movie at Northpark. Now I drive to Dallas only to do other things (visit relatives, see a ball game, hit Six Flags, etc.) and rarely ever watch any movies there anymore.

It seems like the smaller-and-more-of-em trend is just getting worse. Here in Lawton, Dickinson Theaters is opening up a new 12-screen stadium seated site inside Central Mall. The Mall Authority will actually own the theater with Dickinson just being paid to manage the place. 1600 total seats divided up by 12 equals maybe a couple larger screens and a bunch of really small ones. Movie theaters like this are everywhere. It would really be a novel thing if an exhibition circuit could build a new theater in a downtown with 1 or 2 giant screens with 1000+ seating capacity in the same auditorium. Couple that with 70mm projection and the latest sound system gear and you would have the makings of some really great presentation quality.

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Scott Norwood
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Thanks to all for the 70mm-capable theatre updates. I've added all the stuff that was posted here and sent to me privately over the last few days.

I've posted this many times before, but those who may have just started reading this thread might be interested in the URLs:

US 70mm-equipped theatre listing
non-US 70mm theatre listing

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually since 70mm prints are being struck for the premire in Pearl Harbour on a aircraft carrier it is mainly a problem to get them released afterwards not locked up in a vault
The only problem is they are usually double system

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Jonathan Haglund
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If I recall, Mr Cameron had to pay a large amount for the movie itself (forgo his box office profit I think), so forking over more for 70mm would have been expected. I went to a Loews theatre in New York City, a 25 plex, and saw Traffic. You would think they would care about an academy movie in a 25 plex in New York. <slap> That's what you get for thinking! It was the dirtiest print I have ever seen of anything. And the orange toned scenes in Traffic really dont let you forget dirt. Ruined the movie. What also didnt help was that this state of the art SDDS stadium auditorium seated 94. The seats were smaller than my chains old style 500+ people auditorium seats. The SDDS was shot too, but that's a different issue.

Reading this thread really makes me want to see 70mm. I've only seen IMAX a couple of times and I cant remember mag audio. I'll be seeing Spy Kids in digital tomorrow maybe, gonna sneak upstairs and check out the DLP too. Yum.

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Tal Marks
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Jonathan:

If you are sure you saw "Traffic" in a 25-plex theatre in New York City, then it was probably AMC's Empire 25, and not the Loews fine establishment directly across the street. I would have to agree with you about the presentations (at AMC), though lately, they have been getting better.

TJM

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Jonathan Haglund
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Seeing a movie at times square just wasnt working out for me. I went to a Loews around 34th and something or other. Crazy New York streets. I was told it was brand new, but I couldnt tell. The concession stand had the same minimum items as our art houses, except with us, we carry my favorite drink: root beer.
I would have paid attention enough to notice if I was at AMC. I own stock in them, though I hear from these forums that they scratch prints a lot, I never noticed :/

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Tal Marks
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Jonathan:

You probably went to the Loews Kips Bay, on the east side around 32-34th st. They were having the darndest time getting their presentations together in the beginning, but as with all new theatres, they eventually worked out the kinks.

TJM

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Gregory Marshall
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Evans... I didn't know AMC equipped FS14 with two 70 houses. I don't recall them ever running anything in 70, and houses 7 and 8 were their larger THX houses. 7 is where they had 'Dick Tracy'... the first film with Dolby Digital sound that played here in Nashville.

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Paul Linfesty
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Actually, Dick Tracy played in Cinema Digital Sound, which at the time was ONLY available on 70mm prints.

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Gregory Marshall
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This was 35 here, and was Dolby, I think. AMC didn't run Dick Tracy in 70. Nashville only had two 70 houses from 1984 forward, the Belle Meade Theater and Bell Forge, and sounds like Fountain Square was capable, but nothing ran there in 70.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Gregory Marshall
This was 35 here, and was Dolby, I think.
Yes but that was plain Dolby. Batman Returns was the first Dolby Digital movie although it was called Dolby Stereo Digital at that time.

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Gregory Marshall
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Hmmm, AMC advertised it as being digital stereo... I had to go hear it, and it was awesome! Maybe it was a 70 CDS run, but they only advertised the digital stereo in their ads and didn't reference 70mm. I drew the newspaper ads for the chain I worked for, so was definitley in tune to what the competition was up to. DTS arrived here a couple of years after that, and Carmike had the first DTS houses here for Jurassic Park.

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Chris Slycord
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All I'm saying is that it's impossible for them to have advertised for a format that didn't exist yet. But it wouldn't be that surprising if they advertised both digital and Dolby if they had more than one print (one in 70mm CDS an another in 35mm with a Dolby format).

edit: Though "digital stereo" would probably just refer to CDS.

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