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Gregory Marshall
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posted 07-02-2011 11:21 AM

I'm sure you're right, Chris. Thanks.... I hope my long term memory isn't being affected like my short term is, at times. LOL

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Michael Coate
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posted 07-02-2011 12:15 PM

quote: Paul Linfesty
Actually, Dick Tracy played in Cinema Digital Sound, which at the time was ONLY available on 70mm prints.

...and those digital presentations were only in California and New York. There were, however, about two-hundred 70mm prints with magnetic/analog audio (six-track Dolby Stereo) of Dick Tracy that ran in just about every market in the country that had 70mm-equipped screens.

quote: Gregory Marshall
AMC didn't run Dick Tracy in 70.

I bet they did. [Smile]

quote: Gregory Marshall
Nashville only had two 70 houses from 1984 forward, the Belle Meade Theater and Bell Forge

...and Rivergate and one of the Carmike houses.

quote: Gregory Marshall
sounds like Fountain Square was capable, but nothing ran there in 70.

A 70mm print of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade played there in 1989.

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Gregory Marshall
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posted 07-02-2011 01:52 PM

Now I'm curious, will try to find those ads in the newspaper here. AMC's Fountain Sq did advertise they were showing it in digital stereo, will have to check on the 70mm format. While they were equipped for 70, I don't recall them running 70 prints.

I believe Last Crusade played in 70 at the Belle Meade, but I don't recall AMC FSQ also running it in 70. I played day and date at Courtyard, 35 Dolby, interlocked two screens the first two weekend, the days before multiple prints were being booked, at least in Nashville. Some of my grosses out performed AMC's in Nashville.

Rivergate 8 is also a Carmike, as well as Bell Forge and Belle Meade. Carmike ran 70 quite a bit at the Belle Meade. I don't recall them putting 70 prints at Rivergate and didn't know they were capable.

Michael, is there a website that confirms 70mm runs?

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Michael Coate
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posted 07-02-2011 02:45 PM

I'm not aware of any websites that have everything accounted for. However, a handful of historians and enthusiasts, including myself, have put together pages and lists specific to certain films, theaters and special processes. For example, see the article Remembering "Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom": A 25th Anniversary Tribute for a reference to a 70mm presentation at Rivergate. The 70mm list is toward the end of the article though the relevant passage is quoted below.

quote:
TENNESSEE
Goodlettsville – Martin RIVERGATE 6
Knoxville – Simpson CAPRI
Nashville – Martin BELL FORGE 6
Nashville – Martin BELLE MEADE

See the article Remembering "Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade": A 20th Anniversary Tribute for a reference to a 70mm presentation at Fountain Square.

quote:
TENNESSEE
Memphis – Malco WINCHESTER COURT 8
Nashville – AMC FOUNTAIN SQUARE 14
Nashville – Carmike BELLE MEADE

Generally, this sort of data was compiled from referencing documented and/or published data (original newspaper ads, TAP evaluations, installation records, etc.) rather than relying on the memories of the people who saw or worked the screenings.

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Joseph Palladino
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posted 07-02-2011 03:46 PM

Scott, that list for theaters is not up to date. Especially for New Jersey. Ridgefield Park theater just took out there 70mm and put in Digital. Paramus theaters have been closed for couple of years, also Sayerville and Secaucus theaters.Not sure about Bridgewater and Wayne but I think there all digital by now.
I cannot see anyone coming out with 70mm prints when there is very few places to run.Joe P.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 07-02-2011 08:28 PM

quote: Gregory Marshall
AMC's Fountain Sq did advertise they were showing it in digital stereo, will have to check on the 70mm format.

1) You're getting hung up on their use of the term "stereo." You can't assume that the person making the advert was smart enough to know that CDS was a surround-sound format. And even if they meant "stereo" perhaps they were simply cheap and getting on the digital bandwagon without putting in the extra expense of more speakers...

2) If the advert legitimately referred to digital sound (as in the advert referred to something they were actually using) and you are actually remembering the Dick Tracy movie, then it was advertising for 70mm and CDS.

3) Lots of theaters had problems with CDS. So it wouldn't be that surprising to advertise digital sound for the 70mm print then get a replacement that's 35mm just so they can have something useful.

Really, if this movie ran at that theater in digital sound in 35mm then it was the only one and as far as I have seen, it'd also be the only print of the title like that to ever exist.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 07-02-2011 09:16 PM

quote: Gregory Marshall
AMC didn't run Dick Tracy in 70.

Ours did (AMC Granite Run 8 in the Philly market). I ran it myself.

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Gregory Marshall
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posted 07-03-2011 08:33 AM

Thanks, Guys! Will research those ads. Mark..sorry, didn't mean the circuit didn't run it in 70, I meant their location here in Nashville.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 07-03-2011 10:16 AM

Another AMC location that ran Dick Tracy in 70mm Dolby magnetic: AMC Memorial Square 8 in Oklahoma City. I posted a small newspaper ad of it on Page 6 of the 70mm ad thread. That theater closed back in the late 1990s when AMC opened a 24-plex nearby in Quail Springs Mall with no 70mm projectors unfortunately. The place is now home to one of those Lie-MAX digital installations.

quote: Chris Slycord
You're getting hung up on their use of the term "stereo." You can't assume that the person making the advert was smart enough to know that CDS was a surround-sound format.

Various newspaper theater directory ads used the term "digital stereo" when denoting 35mm digital sound shows back in the early 1990s. When Dolby Digital was first introduced it was called "Dolby Stereo Digital." During the time they were goofing up the Dolby brand, especially with that tri-format logo, they did some market research and confirmed the word "stereo" was confusing people making them think it was only 2 channel audio. So they dropped the word from the Dolby logo in 1995.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 07-03-2011 10:24 AM

'Tron' (in 70mm) last Friday night (at the AFI Silver) looked great - and wow! the sound! major thumbs up

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Steve Guttag
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posted 07-03-2011 11:05 AM

Which show did you attend? There were two on Friday. Note, the last showing is on Monday.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 07-03-2011 11:07 AM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Various newspaper theater directory ads used the term "digital stereo" when denoting 35mm digital sound shows back in the early 1990s. When Dolby Digital was first introduced it was called "Dolby Stereo Digital."

Yes but we're discussing Dick Tracy, which had no digital sound prints in 35mm. He was claiming it played in Dolby Digital (which didn't exist at the time; first movie in it came out a couple years later).

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Gregory Marshall
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posted 07-03-2011 11:29 AM

Sorry, I should't assume. For Nashville at that time, digital sound was certainly something new. I do remember their directory ads denoting it being digital sound. I've been wanting to spend some time at our newspaper's archives, so will definitley look to see how they were handling it back then.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 07-03-2011 12:20 PM

I'm inclined to think the Nashville ad for Dick Tracy having digital sound was a mistake.

CDS installations were very rare in 1990. I'm pretty sure only the New York and Los Angeles markets had CDS-equipped theaters for the Dick Tracy release. In New York the Loews 84th Street Six was the only one that actually had CDS running for Dick Tracy. Lots of other theaters in the area had it running in 70mm Dolby magnetic. The Guild Embassy Theater in Rockefeller Center first advertised Dick Tracy as being in CDS but ended up running it in 70mm Dolby magnetic. The Ziegfeld put in CDS for Edward Scissorhands. The UA Gemini Twin installed CDS on both screens for The Doors; the theater was the only one in NYC to show Hudson Hawk in CDS and if I remember right played Terminator 2 in both 70mm CDS and 35mm CDS. Terminator 2 ushered in the most CDS installations, with many being the more problematic 35mm system.

Dolby Digital was also a pretty rare thing when it was first introduced. The first Dolby Digital systems cost just about as much as CDS -in the $20,000 price range. It was originally priced as a replacement for 70mm projectors and their expensive mag striped 70mm prints.

This is essentially what set up the big opportunity for DTS with Jurassic Park. More than 800 theaters installed DTS-6 and DTS-S systems costing only $3500 and $2500 respectively. It only cost $1000 to upgrade a DTS-S system to the DTS-6 configuration. The regular DTS-6 price was $5900, still a lot less than a Dolby DA-10 package. DTS was really the first format that spread digital sound to a lot of theaters outside of the high profile houses in America's biggest cities.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 07-03-2011 12:47 PM

quote: Steve Guttag

Which show did you attend? There were two on Friday. Note, the last showing is on Monday.

the 11:45pm screening. I was very impressed - the finale where 'Master Command' was derezzing was a sonic explosion - whoah! (can wait to check out 'Lifeforce' (70mm) in August) I saw 'Tron' (in 1982) at the former Circle West End 1-4 theater here in DC, it was a great big screen (with raked seats) but unfortunantly only 35mm. Steve, it was great that Disney had a print and allowed you present it, I wonder what other 70mm prints they have in the vaults for theatrical exhibition (??)

I know that where was an attempt to get the recent 70mm print of Cleopatra for the Elizabeth Taylor retrospect - [Frown]

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