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Tom Ferreira
Expert Film Handler

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From: Conway, NH, USA
Registered: Jun 99


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I've had Technicolor reels break apart in my hand and a full reel of film drop on my foot. This past week, for example, evry single one of the five reels of Silverman was broken in my print. Five out of five! And three of the seven of Hannibal! How do Sony and MGM feel about this mishandling of their films? Why do the studios continue to put up with this. I've been an outspoken critic of Technicolor for years on this forum myself, and this just reinforces every complaint we've ever had. The misaligned drive holes are bad enough, but reels with sharp chunks taken out of them, and reels that are completely broken are totally unacceptable. Count me into this movement. I'll alert my circuit to put all problems with Technicolor into writing, not just physical print problems, but also delivery screw-ups and the like.
As an aside, one of our theatres was expecting two print of Hannibal this past week, and received one. When Technicolor was contacted, the manager was told that only one was booked. Another of our theatres received two prints of Hannibal and two prints of Chocolat this past Thursday. This theatre has three screens. Seems the reels aren't the only thing that's cracked at Technicolor.
Tom Ferreira
District Manager, Cinema Management Co. Inc.

Mike Blakesley
Film God

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From: Forsyth, Montana
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 - posted 02-10-2001 12:14 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone ever actually written to any of the film companies (not TES, but the actual distributors) about the TES reel problems?

And if so, what response did you get?

Christopher Seo
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 530
From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 02-10-2001 01:31 PM      Profile for Christopher Seo   Email Christopher Seo   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul:

That sounds similar to what the Kinoton studio projector offers. Check out the second picture here: http://www.blsi.com/kinoton/fp30ec.htm

A studio projectionist, though, showed me that you don't even need the bar-- running dailies off of flanges. It went perfectly! Take-up was onto split reels (although you might be able to get away with flanges, who knows...)

Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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 - posted 02-10-2001 01:42 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Michael,

Strong/Potts can indeed makeup/breakdown straight from/to cores. They have a specail "flat." Ever notice the two holes in the drive plates (not threaded)...the flat engauges these holes. The flat is big enough to hold 6000' on a core.

I agree with Brad on this one...transporting on cores might be a nice thing but would require operators that this industry has proven that it is lacking in.

I say, go back to the Goldberg metal shipping reel...their plastic reel happens to be the best too.

Steve

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Paul Cunningham
Expert Film Handler

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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: Jun 2000


 - posted 02-11-2001 06:36 AM      Profile for Paul Cunningham   Email Paul Cunningham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to agree with Leo here and say that the last time I received a film on reels was probably 7 or 8 months ago. Everything is on cores and most of the time just in a cardboard box with cardboard spacers in between, occasionally it is in the individual plastic containers as well. We haven't had any major problems, maybe the odd one or two that are wound a bit loose but nothing unmanageable.
I have always wondered why a company such as TES which is apparently trying to save every last cent uses reels and film trunks, a core is certainly cheaper than a reel, and a cardboard box is pretty cheap too. At the end of the prints life when it gets destroyed it doesn't have to be pulled off the spool, the whole lot can be just thrown in.

Paul

John Pytlak
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One problem with cardboard boxes is that they are not waterproof. (Not that a badly damaged ICC shipping case is either ).

For film shipped on cores but not in individual cans, I strongly advise wrapping each roll tightly in a clean polyethylene bag (e.g., a clear plastic wastebasket liner). The rolls should be interleaved with corregated cardboard disks to minimize dishing. Be sure the rolls are securely taped so they don't loosen or unwind.

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Eastman Kodak Company
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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 02-17-2001 05:42 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
These damned Technicolor reels are everywhere! CAVEAT EMPTOR:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409876203

Danger, Will Robinson!!

Aaron


Randy Stankey
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Yeah, the high bid is $2.50 but the shipping is $4.00! They are paying more in shipping than the thing is worth!

Then again, the seller's name is "boobookittymilkpepsi"! Note the Laverne and Shirley reference? Could it be a coincidence that the high bidder's name is "tv@theriver.com"?

Sounds fishy to me. But then again SOME stupid chick payed $1,000 for a piece of half-eaten French Toast left over from the breakfast plate of one of the Back Street Boys!!!

I guess I'm starting to hit that age where I'm "too old to understand".

Rachel Carter
Expert Film Handler

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 - posted 06-21-2001 07:02 PM      Profile for Rachel Carter   Email Rachel Carter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, its been almost 5 months now and I'm adding to this thread because a couple people have emailed me asking if my cut scared. Yes it did, its about half an inch long and right next to my eye. Great timing considering I'm getting married in 3 months!

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Darryl Spicer
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hey Rachel,

Even with the little scar you are still a pretty young lady. Good luck with your future wedding. Now you have something to tell your children and grand children when they ask. Just glad it didn't hit you in your eye. You were very lucky. You must have a guardian angel watching over you.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 06-22-2001 02:30 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Did you save that actual reel? When you break down movies from TES, do you now make it a point to throw them across the room first? (I'm still surprised you haven't prosecuted.)


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John Wilson
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Yeah...it would save you having to go to the bank to get a loan to build your new mansion.

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Michael Pace
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From: Dalby, Queensland, Australia
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 - posted 06-22-2001 07:26 AM      Profile for Michael Pace   Email Michael Pace   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What do the Technicolor reels look like. Has anybody posted a picture that clearly shows the problems?

The Fox spools were prominent for a little while, they were the ones that had cores in the center with clip on reel sides.

We commonly get the films on cores in cardboard boxes but LARA CROFT - TOMB RAIDER arrived in metal film trunks.

In 30 years of winding film I must admit that I have had no real trouble with spools or cores. I have handled film that has not even had a core of any sort, this has presented a challenge but has not
caused any real problem. The worst that has happened is a few minor flesh burns while stopping a spool too fast.

I have also taken off from cores using an adapter made to fit onto a standard 5/16" shaft and taking up on spools.

Michael.


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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-22-2001 11:27 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Go to the reviews section and click on the Technicolor depot review. There are pictures of their reels there.

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Rachel Carter
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Ya, I still have the infamous reel that hit me....its actually hanging up in my room

Brad, you must understand....the key is to only throw the broken reels across the room, if we break the few good ones then what will we have? We all know technicolor won't buy us any new ones!

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