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Topic: Mr. Nasher strikes again!
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Randy Loy
Expert Film Handler

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Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 03-08-2001 10:52 AM
This thread demonstrates how emotional those of us that love motion picture theatres can get over places that have made the motion picture experience so magical for us. I see this phenomenon with both drive-in theatres and "hard tops" and it always hurts when the theatre of our dreams disappears to be replaced by a retail outlet or whatever. What it usually boils down to is money and real estate developers love money as much as we love movie theatres. We see the magic of the cinema, they see the magic of a bigger bank account. While to most of them it is simply business, some of them can also be quite mean when it comes to making money. About ten years ago my wife and I became involved with a project to try and save a single screen 1940's movie house that had recently closed. It was the town's only theatre and the owner of the property had decided that it wasn't making enough money to suit him so he wanted to redevelope it into retail and office space. To my knowledge the owner never personally ran the theatre, he had managers do that for him as he had other non-film related businesses to run. The theatre was merely a real estate investment. When the plan to redevelope became known, some of the locals got together and approached the property owner about keeping the theatre alive as a performing arts center. Town folk provided testimonials to the local newspaper about how much the theatre meant to them. Many had gone there all their lives and some had met their spouses there or even became engaged there. It was an emotional issue. A local architect joined the committee and volunteered his professional labors, committees were formed, grants were sought, and volunteers went to work trying to come up with a workable business plan. We thought we had a shot but in the end we lost. We found out that not only had the property owner been toying with us, when demolition began he instructed the contractor to take absolutely EVERYTHING to a landfill. He didn't want any of us to get anything. Not one theatre seat, wall sconce or scrap of cloth from a curtain or wall covering, not even to purchase. He wanted it all discarded and his orders were followed to the letter. The place is now a large chain owned pharmacy. It's too bad that so many developers subscribe to this mindset. If they didn't, maybe our world wouldn't be so bland and people wouldn't have such low expectations. Now days every town seems to have the same "big box" retail outlets so all towns sort of look the same. There isn't much room for things that dare to be exciting and different and really stand out. We discuss the issue of the corporate mentality in the exhibition industry on this forum all the time. Millions of dollars spent to build a multi-plex but presentation is lacking and a lot of people still stay home because they're more wowed by the picture and sound they get at home with their home theatre set-ups. Either that or they begin to believe that ALL movie theatres present product in a mediocre fashion. There is indeed room for places like the Northpark 1 & 2. I just wish those of us on this forum, people who have a love for the biz and the dedication to meet the challenge, had the financial means to make it happen.
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-08-2001 04:01 PM
The same sad story has happened in Rochester NY. The Riviera Theatre (near Kodak Park) where many of the 70mm roadshows of the 1960's played, was forclosed for back taxes and torn down to build a CVS drug store. (The Norelco AAII projectors are now safe in Kodak's huge 2000 seat "Theater on the Ridge").The Monroe, a sister theatre of the Riviera, is now an adult book store, with the owner threatening to tear it down for what else, but a drug store! ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-08-2001 07:11 PM
Evans, out of curiosity about the theater in Huntsville - I wonder if that was the same theater that had Norelco AA's in it in the late 60's. It had huge windows in the projection booth, and a Cinematation peg board automation that worked sometimes.(that was the theater I was referring to when I called the automation as junk because the projectionist had nothing but troubles with it.) However, I thought it was a beautiful theater sporting a well-maintained booth and auditorium. I was TAD with the navy attending the NASA minature component repair school to obtain a NASA certification on repair of miniature components. SPACO, Inc. - Are they still there?
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Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-09-2001 09:55 AM
Paul,I'll have to ask Ralph about the Norelco and Cinemation automation. He managed it at least from 1982 until it closed in 1986, so it might not have had the same equipment during that time as it did in the 1960s. Was the theatre you remember on Memorial Parkway in the Parkway City shopping center, with a Murphy's store? If so, that was the Madison. Or was it on Airport Road on Queensbury? If so, it was the Westbury Cinerama. If it was downtown, it was either the Lyric or Martin. If it was on the Parkway just north of where Univeristy Drive intersected it, at a mall called "The Mall", then it was the Alabama Theatre. Those were the only theatres we had, other than the drive-ins, at the time, in Huntsville. Evans A Criswell http://home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/theatre/
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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-09-2001 11:18 AM
For those interested in the destruction, here are four more pictures taken on Thursday, March 8th. CLICK HERE As of the morning of March 8th, the magnificent auditorium #1 which everyone remembers the Northpark for is now being demolished.
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Stefan Scholz
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 223
From: Schoenberg, Germany
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 03-10-2001 09:23 AM
The best have to go, everywhere. In January 2000 I was called, if I was interested to get a pair of UP 700 East German 70 mm projectors for my collection. The called turned out to be a movie technician and former projectionist of the place they come from. It was a classic 70 mm theatre, and he said it is scheduled for stripping and conversion into a shopping area with 2 or 3 shoeboxes left for movies. When we picked up the stuff it was freezing inside, but outsidewas rain and about 58 degrees. ... The place turned out to be of classic design, correct viewing angles and 0 degrees 11 minute downtilt projection angle. To say THE perfect 70 mm theatre. Unfortunately we never had a change to see a film in there. When we arrived the seats had been ripped out and piled up, and light circuit ditribution boards had been willfully demolished. I was able to get a set of blueprints, which afterwards showed the perfection used in engineering this place in 1967. Later on a friend of mine found documents from an international convention where the theatre was landmarked as the "one of the major examples of most perfect architecture for wide gage film playback", with "absolute perfection in acoustical design and treatment". It would have been worth to restore this famous theatre, but dumbheads of today preferred to rebuild shopping space. Of course, the town was too small to accomodate a 700+ seat theatre in 2000 with 8500+ inhabitants left from originally 30000+. And the youth of today, not beeing familiar with roadshow spectaculars does not show enough interest.
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-10-2001 10:16 AM
Somehow, the whole thread reminds me of Southpark. "Oh my God, You killed our theatre! You bastard!"Of the many theatres that I actively projected or managed, 90% are shuttered or torn down. I don't like it, but such is life. A word of advice: Take lots of pictures on Kodak film, and sneak in a video camera with Kodak video tape before you favorite locations are history. While you're at it, take pictures of the staff at your place of employment and write down their names. Trust me, twenty-five years later, you'll be happy you did. I just emailed a scanned copy of a photo to an old friend co-worker showing him with hair and in his disco outfit. Life changes. Everything has a lifespan and then dies. IIRC, the death of disco was celebrated. Now if rap "music" would just shuffle off the stage of life...
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Aaron Haney
Master Film Handler
Posts: 265
From: Cupertino, CA, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-13-2001 07:13 AM
Bill, the Northpark 1-2 was not part of the mall itself, it was in a separate building. It shared the parking lot with the mall, but it stood on its own. When it was first closed, Nasher was supposedly going to tear it down extend the mall out to where it stood. That plan fell through, but the building remained until now. I don't know if he was just in a hurry to get rid of it, or if he has finally got a plan together to build something on that space. Regardless, I will never set foot in his mall again.From what I have been told, the Northpark's sound system was one of the first two THX installations, and was personally designed by Tomlinson Hollman. (I've heard that the letters THX refer not only to Lucas's "THX-1138", but also to "Tomlinson Hollman's eXperiment" -- perhaps Ted Costas can confirm that?) Never in my life heard a sound system so powerful yet accurate. It was truly one-of-kind. I seriously doubt another theater will ever be built that has such a good installation. If AMC really does throw up one of their horrible googleplexes in its place it will be a travesty. I don't for a minute believe the mediocre sound systems and lousy acoustics that characterize AMC theaters can ever match the Northpark.
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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-13-2001 04:19 PM
I let Tom Holman know about Film-Tech posting photos of the demolition of the Northpark. Here are his insights about the theatre:___________________________________________ Thanks John. I had heard that. With the Avco having been twinned and the Florida site never having worked out, the first three THX installations are all gone, and these are the only ones I did myself. There were problems in North Park. The GCC picture frame box combined with high-frequency screen spreading to cause lots of early reflections that changed timbre, so it would not be considered to be great by today's standards, but I'm sure it was way ahead of its time. BTW, it had a peculiar problem at first: there was a lot of hiss coming from the screen. So I asked the projectionist to turn off parts of the sound system, one at a time, starting from the input, to see what was wrong. When he got done turning it all off, the hiss was still there! It turned out to be reflected sound from the air conditioning diffuser slots in the ceiling, causing a discrete reflection off the high-frequency reflecting screen. Cleaning the ducts cured the hiss. Also, the North Park had an unboxed in sump pump behind the screen that would come on audibly during the movie. I asked for it to be boxed in, but was never back myself to confirm that. We also learned a great deal in that theater. I had anticipated hgih frequency reflections off the screen returning to the wall nearby the loudspeakers, so had put absorbing material around the horns for several feet. What I didn't anticipate was a fore-to-aft reflection in that auditorium between the back wall of the theater and the "THX" wall, so Jim Kessler and I had to go out to a Home Depot like store and buy lots of thick fibreglass and go in in the middle of the night and drop it over from the top of the wall, since the space between the screen and the wall was small. We "unfurled" the absorber from the top of the wall, and voile, the problem was fixed. Another story is that we learned the hard way that speakers behind the screen can't have shiny parts in the North Park, because you'll see twinkle of light that are brighter than white shining through the screen. So a THX requirement became flat black loudspeakers! Feel free to post this. Best regards. Tom www.tmhlabs.com email: tomholman@tmhlabs.com ___________________________________________
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