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Author Topic: What makes older projectors better than newer ones? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-06-2003 06:11 PM                     Hey, you guys cool it! You're all out of control..... Anyway, I run synthetic in my car, and in my Norelco! The Norelco is far happier with it and in comparison to other DP-70's has alot quieter running mechanism. Brad, There are no differences in the bases of the DP-70's except for switching and wiring differences on the European units. The European bases are also much higher quality iron castings. They are much smoother. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-06-2003 07:51 PM                     My only comment to what has been said in defence of the DP-70 design is that it WAS NOT designed to have the exciter lamp on whilst the film was not moving. Brad, your DP-70, if the exciter lamp was always on, it was an installation error, not a design one. Think about it, the DP-70 had to be nitrate rated. Leaving the exciter lamp on to burn the film would have never flown. As to the other comments, they are personal preferences and they are impossible to comment on (not right or wrong). Steve  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-06-2003 08:04 PM                        Brad: PK60 ??? -It can't show ToddAO Well - it sure looks, we got something started. -Maybe it's time to close it down again soon. It has been most interesting to read the pro and contra dialouge. I don't know the name of the "wing", looking out between the lower spool box and the projector foot, but -sorry to say- it had to go on one of my machines to use the 6000 feet reels. On the other projector the reel (61 cms = 24 inch) just fit in. Why would one wish to stop the projector with the exiter lamp turned on ? It sounds as wise as hold still with open lamp. Original design would not allow either, -and yes: as soon as You move the handle of the door against Yourself - before opening, the microswitch will stop the motor. You would have to move very fast to damage shutter, gear and more. Some days ago, one member talked here about using a Bauer U2 for travelling. I have no such fantasies, and find that in stationary use (as designed for) the weight of the DP70 is a plus. Safety-stop device. Yeah - as i have allready mentioned earlier - the print should be very bad, before You need a thing like that, and even then my experience is that very few films tear after the intermittent sprocket - that is: if You have not been "sabotaging" You have a safety stop built-in over the upper loop, which in fact takes allmost every break, You may have. Of course, You can buy a DP70 today - trouble is, noone wants to pay, what it costs to build: I was told, that a very large Cinema-chain in Europe asked for a load of projectors, and got the answer, that Kinoton has still all drawings, tools and molds for making a new generation - Order minimum 50 machines, and the price would (10 years ago, i think) be as low as 100.000 DM ( = about 57.000 $) a piece, lamphouse, soundheads/readers not included... Want a projector, You can use for fifty years, and then sell it to Mark ? - Just phone those nice Kinoton-people and See The Difference... HAPPY THOUGHTS ARE HERE TO STAY ! The FP30D, coming to my screen 2 later this month, is listed to 12.600 Euro ( almost = US$ ), including lamphouse, reverse scan, 3-lens (manuel) turret. This price combined with the fact, that those 39 seats in screen two might live without 70mm, and the fact, that i don't know anyone to purchase the remaining 49 machines does, that not even P. Hauberg & Dog Ltd is going to order DP70 for the time being. The Big secret, that i do not wish for Brad or any other member to experience life, is that if You first have tried having - i think he's called the bailiff over there - standing in Your booth with a couple of very big removal men with crowbars and carrying slings, wanting to take away Your princesses to cover Your unpaid taxbill. That was, what happened to me after "going down" with my Copenhagen theatre 22 years ago - a story too often told even here - and with my little village cinema as only active left to mortgage. Only a few minutes and a big check from outside prevented the disaster from happening. THEN You'll get attached to, what other people may see as old iron ! And now, Gentlemen, I rest my case ! p.  |  IP: Logged Travis Hubrig Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Minot ND, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 06-06-2003 08:57 PM                     I've got 7 ladies in my booth that work great for me and their last names are all Simplex... I have never operated the DP70 but the few that I have seen, seem to big. P.S. Does anyone know how to get projector oil out of my white shirt?  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-06-2003 09:01 PM                        quote: The analog sound is godawful lousy! Of course this doesn't much matter anymore with the BACP reverse scan reader for the DP70, but back then it was a huge issue. Look at a pink noise loop on a scope. It's just plain terrible . -Also when altering soundhead brake roller - Cutting it into two and putting spring inside..? I believe that took away most of my troubles. p.  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-06-2003 11:14 PM                        "....I have never operated the DP70 but the few that I have seen, seem to big...." Too big for what?  |  IP: Logged Travis Hubrig Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Minot ND, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 06-07-2003 01:02 AM                     Greg, Sorry... for the newer theaters It isn't a problem, but I have seen older theaters where the booth is extremely crowded, especially when going to a platter, and even upgrading sound takes space... pretty soon there isn't room for an operator. In my booth they wouldn't work, I guess that doesn't make it a poor design or any different from the next projector.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-07-2003 01:20 AM                     Travis, You think they won't work in a small booth???? Take a look at the Hinsdale Theatre Photos in the picture warehouse. That booth is tiny, about 8 feet deep and 15 feet wide, but it has a pair of DP-70's,a Gladiator follow spot, two pedestal 16mm projectors and an array of other "junk" plus the sound system! The hardest part was getting them 4 stories up into the booth! Nor would the weight of them deter anyone fopmr installing them, older booths are built better in alot of cases. Mark  |  IP: Logged Travis Hubrig Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Minot ND, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 06-07-2003 01:35 AM                     Mark, Greg, You are right... Size is not an issue. Unless.... You need room for other things  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 06-07-2003 01:44 AM                     I just thought this was interesting. If you look at the pictures of the Bob Leader Private Screening Room it says... "Custom designed Norelco AA2 projectors for 36 inch reel capacity, or approximately 12,000 feet of film! (The Norelco AA2 unmodified only has a 22 inch reel capacity.)"  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-07-2003 03:52 AM                        In the Bob Leader case You may call the DP70 B I G - but again, that has nothing to do with design - that's a joke... BTW, The Malling Bio pictures shows, that size is not a problem: my booth is about 8 x 10 feet, holding two Philips DP70 with Cinemec CX900 lamphouses, one Hasso Spool tower, a sound rack (picture missing, sorry) and a 5 feet hole in the wall gives space for the Kinoton ST 200 platter half way into the consession stand, -and Yours truly, for whom putting on weight is not an option. Having one or more DP70 projector(s) is a human right. -Will fit into every humble household anytime a bring You lots of lots of HAPPY HOURS AND THOUGHTS. Just beware: Number of available machines is limited. Call Mr Gulbrandsen to reserve Your projector now !! P.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-13-2003 04:15 PM                     Quote: "Cannot use short throw lenses in the DP70. The picture hits the side of the projector." _________________________________________________________________ Just to snuff out another wrong statement, we have 2 screens running 35mm focal length lenses for 1:85 in DP-70's at the new installation........ Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-13-2003 05:24 PM                        ".....Custom designed Norelco AA2 projectors for 36 inch reel capacity, or approximately 12,000 feet of film!...." Actually 35-3/4" "....(The Norelco AA2 unmodified only has a 22 inch reel capacity.)...." That's with the original magazines in place  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-14-2003 08:47 AM                     OK Mark, I'll do you one better...I've done 33.1mm 1.85:1 lenses on the DP-70 and I suspect the new Schneider super short lenses (19mm) will also work. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-14-2003 09:34 AM                     Steve, You're right! I was making this post only to alleviate another of Brads wrong ideas about the DP-70.... I think we've pretty much eliminated them all by now. Without modifying the front though I think 33.5 is about as short as one can go without removing part of the front edge of the lens mount itself.... right above the focus knob.....thats where the cone of light will hit. Then of course there is the Kelmar Turrett which would be way easy to install on the DP-70. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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