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Brad Miller
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 - posted 04-24-2002 04:06 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
How recent was that Manny? Pennywise told me they could not separate the motor from the xenon, which was the only thing I was disappointed in. Knowing that they CAN and HAVE done it makes me a big angry. I have had to resort to using the exciter circuit to fire and extinguish the xenon, which works ok for platter use, but is less than ideal for changeovers.


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Manny Knowles
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Oh dear...I hope I'm not getting anyone in trouble.

Mark at Pennywise in Australia did mine for me...in like...December 1998. There was no mention of this being a problem.

I hope they're not going to tell me I can't get my new ones done to match...

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~Manny.


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Richard Fowler
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Our Pennywise which we distribute have had separate funtions for years. The CAPIO model, which is less expensive, allows you to do changes with a laptop program.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Brad Miller
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CAPIO. Hmmmmm, sound interesting. I would MUCH rather be able to in essence "program my own EPROMS", rather than relying on Pennywise to get around to it. Can you give more info?

By the way, this thread is seriously wandering from the original subject. The next person to reply to CA21 or Pennywise issues, please open up a new thread titled "CA21 / Pennywise automations".

Thanks.

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Michael Schaffer
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The discussion has indeed strayed very far from the original subject, but that is what lively discussions are about, really. Anyway, I too think we should open a discussion about customising the Pennywise automation, as I am also considering doing that for our cinema.
I promised more information on the SDDS print quality issue, but since I have very little time at the moment, that will have to wait. Cohen asked about working conditions in cinemas in Germany. This and a few other questions I will answer a little bit later, too. Sorry! But since youīre all cinema professionals, you can imagine how much work I have at the moment, especially because I am not only in charge of the projection management, but of the management of all other technical issues in the house as well...
The idea behind the project is quite simple: to bring back optimal standards of presentation and service to the entertainment form we all love, to bring back the idea of the movie THEATER when most of the old theaters are gone and have been replaced by macdonaldised megaplexes. If we manage to do that, we could have the best of both worlds.
By the way, I am still waiting for information why platter projection should be inferior to changing over! Brad, I am still very curious about your amp and speaker configuration. Your cinema appears to be really interesting. I havenīt quite understood if itīs a one-screen theater or the big screen in a plex.
And finally, I had originally opened the discussion to find out if there is any other multiplex theater with 8 channels on all screens, so if anyone knows about such a theater, please let me know!
Donīt hold back with comments/questions, even though I may not be able to answer you for a couple of days!


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Gerard S. Cohen
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Michael Schaffer's Alhambra invites comparison with Sony Theatres At Lincoln Center in New York City, which suggests a way to have septuplets maintain individual identities.

When Sony acquired the Loews' Theatres,they built a state-of-the art flagship theatre a block long in the center of New York's theater-opera-ballet and film center, Lincoln Square. It's twelve auditoria were stacked vertically on both sides of a series of stainless-steel escalators rising "to the sky" within a central atrium.

To utilize the memory of Loews' movie palaces of the 1920's and 1930's, all of which were by then demolished, abandoned or converted to other uses, Sony revived the name and theme of eleven of its grande
dame single-screen theatres, creating a thematic fascade for the entrance to each auditorium in the new 12-plex. The last to be completed was an Imax.

As a child I enjoyed family trips to Loews' Valencia, with its Spanish decor, goldfish pond in the lobby, and domed ceiling displaying moon, stars and clouds, all in motion as in the outdoor sky. Double features, newsreel, cartoons, short subjects and ten acts of live vaudeville in this wonderful castle-theatre were a real treat.
As a union relief projectionist I often worked vacations at a Loews'
theatre in the Bronx, with a gilded interior and an articulated statue, St.George slaying a dragon above the marquee.[Loews' Paradise]
Each Loew's palace had its own exotic, magical environment, named after a city or land of enchantment. And unless memory fails me, there was also a Loews' Alhambra, the fabulous Moorish citadel popularized by Washington Irving into a tourist attraction every US traveler longed to visit. Perhaps its Berlin namesake will have similar popularity...

[Photos of Sony Theatres At Lincoln Square are in the PICTURES
section of Film-tech.com ]


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Michael Schaffer
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I certainly do hope that our concept of quality will attract the maximum possible number of attendants. At least as far as the German market is concerned, we will know in the not too distant future if quality makes a difference. Today we had visitors (cinema exhibitors) from Scandinavia at the construction site, and they too had found that offering their audiences something really worth leaving their living rooms pays off in the end.
I havenīt received any feedback yet to my original question. Actually, I had expected lots of you people writing to tell me about similarly equiped cinemas here and there, so I am a bit puzzled. There has to be someone out there caring for quality presentation at the level of what is technically/humanly possible. Is cinema still the No.1 audio/visual entertainment form or just something where you have the same standards as at home and where you simply go once in a while because the movies play there earlier than on TV?

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually if you browse the site and postings you will find a wealth of information on theatres that are quality oriented.
I was curious as to why you chose HPS sound system instead of THX as the latter is the industry recognized standard.
Also FYI most labs would actually prefer if SDDS went away as it is the most dificult to print reliably at the required highspeeds distributors want


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Brad Miller
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Michael, I can sum this up for you fairy quick here. Yes people are impressed with your theater from the very little that has been seen and the data that has been presented. However it takes more than all of the latest high tech equipment to put on a good show.

Once you have pictures submitted to the site so everyone can look at your theater and people are generally convinced that excellent film handling is going on there, I think you will get more replies. As it is, very few if any people here know you and few here care much for SDDS due to a lot of reliability issues, regardless of who's fault that is. And no, I am not aware of any "all SDDS-8" equipped theater complex in the states.

Hopefully others will jump in here and give you some comments, but do remember that all the equipment in the world does not guarantee a good presentation, and people's opinion of a "good presentation" varies wildly. Just settle in and let everyone get to know you for awhile and send us some pictures!


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Glenn Conatser
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 - posted 04-25-2002 09:47 PM      Profile for Glenn Conatser   Email Glenn Conatser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Michael,

Thanks for the input on my center channel problem and the SDDS unit im using. What you mentioned makes alot of sense and will be looked at when my tech comes by. He was suppose to be here today but things fell through. God i hope its up when Spidey comes swingin in.

UA has a wonderful single screen here in San Francisco named the Coronet. This theatre is equipped with two Norelco's and set up for change overs if needed. However the second projector is used for back up if the other fails. The theatre is equipped with eight channel SDDS and Dolby Digital. Speakers are all Electro Voice with double stacked bass bins. Four subwoofers are used behind the screen with 20 TS12-2 surrounds along the side walls. All the amplification is QSC with a Dolby CP200 processor. The system is biamped with EV electronic crossovers. From what ive been told by some reliable sources is this sound system was all re done personally by Lonnie Jennings from Dolby back in 93 or 92 when they remodeled the whole place. I must say this is probably one of the best sound systems ive ever heard. THX or not. The subs integrate beautifully with the stage speakers. There is a seamless transition from stage to surrounds with the surrounds having a tremendous amount of punch and clarity. I think one of the main reasons this place sounds so damn good is the massive amount of amps up there. This is one of the places where the proper amount of power was used and it really pays off . The sound is really open and uncompressed with tremendous punch in the sub bass section. The only weak point to the Coronet are the acoustics, which cause some echo and some movies can sound a bit bright but other than that its a great theatre and still gets two prints on major films.

The screen is roughly 60 feet wide and 30 to forty feet high. I could be off a bit on the height and seats 1235. This is also one of George Lucas's favorite theatres and opened Star Wars when it was first realesed and has played all the others except for Empire Strikes Back when it was first realesed but played it on the re - release in 97. There gearing the place up for Episode 2 in May. This will be the place to be in SF when Episode 2 opens.

Cheers,
Glenn


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Jan Hackett
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ok.. My booth is 2 years old but clean as a hospital. One can literally eat off my booth floor. I have a $35,000 HVAC system that provides positive booth pressure, 55 % humidity and 73 degrees constant. BTW I am in a desert. I have a private elavator to my booth. I have a computer with internet access in booth. Sticky mats guard my entrances. My screen is 5 stories high and I have a linear loop 8:70 projector. I run DTS sound off of a CD and I have a 35 mag tape backup. Only 6 channels sound but customers still complain it is to loud. I provide complimetary earplugs for the hearing sensitive. I have a rearwindow closed captioning system for the those that hear with hardship. I have enough splitreels to supply 6 movie houses and I have two metric ultrasonic slicers. We have a scripting system for the seeing impaired. My booth is totally employed with women projectionist who mop the floors twice daily. What we lack in equipment, we make up for in cleansliness. The film never ever touches the floor. We never show a white screen to the audience. If film is scratched by error we buy replacement reels. My ushers wear uniforms. My boss pays for me to attend all show related conferences. ( However I've yet to attend one as I've just started this job.) We are all given the utmost respect from our employer and our benefits are paid 100%. When it comes down to it. It dosn't matter to me what the frills are. What matters is a team in the booth who really takes pride in their profession and puts the best performance on for every customer. We don't have problems, we supply solutions. Thus my interest in this forum. Brad is so right. The presentation is everything. So for those that don't have a super deluxe booth, I would love to screen a show at your theater if you have the ultimate showmanship. That is why people go to the movies. Don't give up hope.

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Jan Hackett
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Extreme Screen Dynatheater
NM Museum of Natural History Foundation

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Don Sneed
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I just finish installing one of Japan's largest screens theatre, this was a 10-plex, All THX, using Dolby CP-650 with Ex on all screens, QSC DCA amplilifiers, JBL 3632T, DTS-6D, on the large screen I installed Sony DFP-3000, Dolby DA-20, Dolby SA-10, & DTS-6D, the speaker used was (5) JBL-5674 with (6) JBL 4645 sub woofers (24) JBL 8340 surround speakers....the total installed amplifiers was (17)..this 700 seat house was the cleanest & loudest sound I ever heard...& believe me I cranked the system almost to max without clipping, reading 131db with program material, thanks to the DFP-3000, also I have the speakers properly aimed for a 3db difference from the front row to the rear row, all this is a very large room...it doesn't get any better than that !!

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Michael Schaffer
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Thank you all very much for your replies. As I had explained from the beginning, my main motivation to start the topic was curiosity. The feedback has been really interesting. I would just like to stress once more that I never intended to start a which-sound-format-is-the-best or which-projector-is-the-best sort of discussion. That would have been rather futile, since we have all contemporary sound formats on all screens anyway. They all have their merits, or else we wouldn`t have them all huddled together in our racks!
Still, I love the 8-channel thing, it has the advantages of the good old 70mm format (5 front channels) and of modern digital sound combined.
Glen, thank you for the information about that theater in San Francisco. We love classic movie theaters, and that is exactly why we want to bring that feeling back with Alhambra, which is built on a site where there has been an old big cinema also called Alhambra for decades. Hopefully your problem can be solved. You don`t have to wait for the technician. Get the SDDS setup software from SDDS.com (or indeed from these pages) and see for yourself. As every sound system, SDDS performs best at 0dB.
Gordon, I am not sure I understand your question. THX is not a speaker system, it`s a quality program and counseling service started by Lucasfilm to help build better cinemas. They have a lot of good ideas, but no one says you have to do everything exactly the way they suggest. Well, you have to if you want the logo on your door. But then even George Lucas doesn`t seem to mind about that too much, as Glen`s post (2 below yours) suggests.
My boss, who, as his shopping list suggests, is a real cinema enthusiast, checked out a lot of different sound equipment. He decided to get HPS simply because he was won over by its effortless and balanced sound quality. And so was I after we had aligned the first system and listened to it. If you want to know why, I can tell you a little more about that later.
To be honest, I am rather confused by your statement that printing
laboratories would prefer SDDS to go away because it is a little more difficult to print...
Well, I think it`s their job to deliver good prints, isn`t it? Would anyone prefer film to go away because it is more difficult to manufacture than DVDs?
And Brad, you remind me that the standard of presentation is what counts in the end, you are very right about that! This is exactly why I think one needs both experience AND the right tools. I care very much about quality, and this is why I do care whose fault it is if things don`t go the way they could. Addressing the print quality issue is very important to me, not only for the sake of the SDDS track, but also because image quality is often a problem that goes hand-in-hand with it.

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Gordon McLeod
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"To be honest, I am rather confused by your statement that printing
laboratories would prefer SDDS to go away because it is a little more difficult to print...
Well, I think it`s their job to deliver good prints, isn`t it? Would anyone prefer film to go away because it is more difficult to manufacture than DVDs?"
No but the economic s are that on average in under 2 days 2000+ prints often have to printed requiring high speed printing methods and SDDS tracks tend to suffer under those conditions
Also denisty is more sensitive with them

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David Stambaugh
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HPS-4000: West 11th Movieland in Eugene (Moyer, then Act III, then Regal, now closed) used to be listed on the HPS-4000 web page. They had HPS-4000 speakers in the largest non-THX house (I think the THX house was JBL). When they upgraded that house to DTS I was pretty impressed with the quality. It did indeed sound very "effortless and balanced", even playing at very high levels. This was using speakers that were originally selected for Dolby Stereo which of course is far less demanding on them than digital. When I win the lottery and build my theater, I will be talking to HPS-4000.


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