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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-13-2002 11:18 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think it's downright stupid to even argue about this. I told you guys the way I've always heard just about everybody I've worked with refer to the components and then amazingly everybody starts to whine. Call 'em whatever you want, I seriously do not care. I have enough brainpower to figure out what you are talking about. If you don't have the mental capacity to figure out what I am saying then perhaps you should not be tinkering with electronic or mechanical equipment.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 09-13-2002 11:22 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh I don't really care. I gave my opinion but yours is valid too. I'm just a traditionalist. No big deal though. Now lets all play nice.

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Angel Hultzsch
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 - posted 09-14-2002 12:40 AM      Profile for Angel Hultzsch     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hi, i think you must be replace the douser by a kelmar, beliveme its the best, and by first time after the replacement the projector start automatic without problems, incredible

greetings

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 09-14-2002 11:31 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe -- I really didn't mean to start an argument here. I was genuinely curious, as I've heard the term "douser" used to refer to three different components, at least two of which (fire shutter, changeover) also have other names associated with them.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 09-14-2002 12:35 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It might be a regional flavor as with "soda" vs. "pop." But I'd bet it's more varied than that, like from chain to chain or even house to house. In the past, the various union apprenticeship programs might have set the local custom. Nowadays, with so many booths staffed with relatively inexperienced personnel they may be latching onto whatever they hear their service tech call the components. After all, this is the person who taught them that they are projectors, not cameras!

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Pat Moore
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 - posted 09-15-2002 09:33 AM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Terminologies are always interesting. Our manuals and literature guy, Jim Feehrmeyer, would probably be adamant that "dowser" is the correct spelling for the device discussed here, since "dowse" means to extinguish. The dowser is the device, whether it be a small plate, a "blade" or a large cast piece, that blocks the light.

A manual dowser would have the plate attached to a handle that can be manually activated. Virtually all xenon lamphouses have a manual dowser.

The "changeover" is the electro-mechanical device that controls the "changeover dowser". Generally, the dowser blade itself is part of the projector, while the changeover can be provided optionally from various manufacturers.

Don't see too many fire dowsers (also called "fire shutters") on projectors anymore, with the advent of safety film and efforts to reduce costs. A lot of projectors don't even have them available. Our Simplex Studio lines still have fire dowsers that are activated by a spring-loaded governor assembly on the vertical shaft. The dowser blade itself is weighted so it drops into the light path when the projector goes below a certain speed. When running normally, the governor opens the dowser.

So that's Strong's terminologies (hope I got it right, Jim...). The dowser itself is whatever blocks the light, there are several types of dowsers and different ways to activate them. In today's automated operations, the changeover dowser is probably the most common one we have to deal with, so "changeover" and "dowser" have almost become interchangeable even though they refer to two different components.

Pat

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-15-2002 10:59 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
According to www.dictionary.com "douse" and "dowse" have the same meanings, so I guess either spelling is acceptable.

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Pat Moore
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 - posted 09-15-2002 08:29 PM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That seems right, Joe. I thought "douse" was when you throw water on something (douse the fire) but I've seen the two used almost interchangeably as well. It's Jim that tries to keep our continuity in literature at Strong.

Pat


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John Hawkinson
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Various other dictionaries (e.g. the OED) do not have them agreeing. There seems to be general consensus that "dowsing" can refer to searching for water with a divining rod (dowsing stick), and "dousing" cannot. On that basis I'b be inclined to reserve the "w" usage for that meaning and stick with "douse" and derivatives...

--jhawk

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 09-16-2002 03:42 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The level of our intellectual discourse has reached a new plateau when someone invokes the OED! Wasn't there an old maxim that if an internet debate goes on long enough someone will eventually invoke Hitler or the Nazis?

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 09-16-2002 06:14 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I never had any real problem with the Christie Dowsers, although I think the linkages leave a little to be desired.

The problem I have had with the Christies is the aperature changer. Although the machines were maintained spotlessly clean, the aperature plate would have to be "helped along" while it was changing.

As far as the arguement is concerned, who cares what it is called? The average monkey-brain does not know the difference anyway, and more often that not, they call it a "Flippy Thingys"

I call them "Change-over Dowsers" some people call the change-over dousers, dousers, Flippy Thingys, Zippers, and whatever else comes to mind. Although I do believe in correct terminology, I don't always use it, either.


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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 09-19-2002 03:58 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Are you talking about removing hand dowsers, too?

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 09-19-2002 04:24 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no! Those need to stay no matter what.

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Will Kutler
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 - posted 09-21-2002 04:40 PM      Profile for Will Kutler   Email Will Kutler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Manuel

There are two styles of Christie change-overs for these machines.

The early style was a real pain...they never stayed locked open. Lord knows how many times they dropped during shows and never kept their adjustment.

Christie came out with an improved design that works quite well...basically it is some parts to upgrade/convert and improve the older design. The new upgrades are now standard equipment, and the parts are available in kit form so that you can conduct the upgrade/conversion on the older units. I forgot the kit part #, so ask Bevan Wright.

Every once in a while they will need adjustment, and the best that I can say is that it is all by feel, but quite simple. If the cable does not travel smooth in the tube, then make very small "tweeks" on the tube until the cable is on center...then it will work like a charm. The new style uses a set screw spring ball plunger assembly that locks the douser open. This might also need occasional adjustment. Basically, just enough engagement is needed to hold the douser open...too much engagement will impede operation. And when tightening the locking jamb nut...just barely tighten it...torquing is not necessary and can damage the locking ball plunger assembly.

I did encounter someone who gooped the entire assembly (including the tube and cable) down with everyones favorite Lubriplate. This is NOT NECESSARY AND ONLY MAKES A MESS!

Speaking of Lubriplate. I have to get the specifics, but it is a product of Detroit, and one use is as a lubricant in machining and lapping brass.....

I have not seen the new style douser plates in action, but from what I have heard the warping problem has been solved.

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German Marin
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 - posted 09-21-2002 07:37 PM      Profile for German Marin   Email German Marin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

The new Kelmar base is placed just behind the penthouse. We've drilled the Christie's case, three holes, two for the base and the another one for the wire.

The Christie's douser was completly removed. The holes are show here. (When the pictures was taken the belts were being changed)


We must be carefull aligning the Christie's douser hole with the universal bell crank where we've done a new appropiate hole. We've took the strip from a solder electrode.


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