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Author Topic: P35GPS Dowser Question Manuel Francisco Valencia Expert Film Handler Posts: 151 From: Oklahoma City, OK, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-22-2002 10:43 PM                     Thanks for all the information. I have received some of the new dousers and they fell a hell of a lot stronger than the old ones. I'll do a little tweaking to the machines too. Or I can always use the all purpose hammer. All the information has been great guys. Also, Brad what automation do you have?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-22-2002 10:46 PM                     Personally I use the magnificent Cadillac of automations, the CA21 in my screening room. However I service many others. Why do you ask? Is there a question hiding?  |  IP: Logged Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 09-23-2002 08:25 PM                     In my last post in this thread I made a comment about Lubriplate being a product of Detroit. I may have made a mistake...This other product has a slightly different spelling...sorry.  |  IP: Logged Manuel Francisco Valencia Expert Film Handler Posts: 151 From: Oklahoma City, OK, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-23-2002 10:16 PM                     Just wondering on what you have and where mine stands when compared to others. There is plenty of talk on which projectors, consoles, platters, etc. are the best but hardly ever automation.  |  IP: Logged Michael Elam Film Handler Posts: 84 From: Clarksville, IN, USA Registered: Mar 2001 posted 09-27-2002 09:31 PM                     The folks at Christie swear there is NO problem with their dousers, strange that one of their 'factory' techs came out couldn't get them to work but came up with a idea that would work...take the turret control and rotate it backwards so the pushbuttons are facing the console., replace the rod with a straight one drilling a hole so it can come straight up, you will need to replace the dovetail network on the gear rod...it does work.  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 08-23-2006 05:48 PM                 It has been 1425 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Carey Barber Expert Film Handler Posts: 143 From: Newport News, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 08-23-2006 05:48 PM                     I also have a Christie P35GPS with douser issues. I have replaced the older, warped dousers with the newer and tougher dousers (the ones with the circle in it) The problem is that, even after replacing the douser, the blade still sticks. When the show ends, the douser is not able to drop, and the customers end up seeing a lot of junk at the end of the last reel they should not see. I have searched thru Film Tech and read every posting I could find about this issue... MODIFICATIONS I do not think I will get approval from our tech for installing the Kelmar changeover. We are a 24-plex and part of a large chain, so this would be costly and they like things to be pretty uniform. The same thing goes for the suggestion to just remove the douser completely and rewire the automation (in this case, CNA-200). I do not think I can get approval for such an alteration. MY QUESTIONS Are there any other hints for getting these to move smoothly? I do not see where it could be binding on anything. Is there a 'sweet spot' for how far you put the rod and/or the flexible cable into the douser plate? It was mentioned that you could lubricate the rod or bore the hole bigger. Has this helped anyone? Any hints that anyone has for getting these brand-new, un-warped douser plates to work would be greatly appreciated.  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 08-23-2006 07:42 PM                     Drilling out the hole that the douser rod goes through to make it wider and easier for the rod to slide up and down usually works wonders. Even for simple modifications like that you should always get approval from your engineer.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-23-2006 08:08 PM                     Also be aware that if someone repeatedly holds the C/O button down for any great lengths of time the stator of the solenoids can heat up and distort and cause exactly the same sticking problem. I've seen this a number of times but too much in the last year. The same thing can happen on Kelmar/Strong dowsers too. Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-24-2006 01:05 AM                     I've noticed that Christie has, or is getting ready to come out with an excellent upgrade to the cable drawn dowser, and that is the side swinging dowser to replace this small weakness that the P35 units have (or had..). Saw the demo at ShoWest this last spring - an excellent upgrade, to say the least. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 08-24-2006 03:14 AM                    quote: Monte L Fullmer I've noticed that Christie has, or is getting ready to come out with an excellent upgrade to the cable drawn dowser, and that is the side swinging dowser to replace this small weakness that the P35 units have (or had..). Saw the demo at ShoWest this last spring - an excellent upgrade, to say the least. That is actualy a design that Cinemark and Christie worked together on. It should be in the next edition of the christie parts manual. I love that dowser style. No problems at all so far.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-24-2006 08:33 AM                     The Ballantyne Pro(?)35 uses a simnilar rotary solenoid dowser design. It was not what I'd call fault proof but I still prefer this type. I just had to repair a rotary type solenoid on an FP-16. Anything is better than the stupid arrangement that Christie built inside it's projector. Mark P.S. Of course and as usual all of the parts for the present dowsers will suddenly become obsolete from Christie.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 08-24-2006 10:17 AM                    quote: Mark Gulbrandsen The Ballantyne Pro(?)35 uses a simnilar rotary solenoid dowser design. It was not what I'd call fault proof but I still prefer this type. I just had to repair a rotary type solenoid on an FP-16. Anything is better than the stupid arrangement that Christie built inside it's projector. That's the one where after so much use the bracket that holds the solenoid either becomes loose or breaks off. I remember having to tighten or replace several of these years ago.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-24-2006 05:01 PM                     Yea, I love it when they break off and fall in the rotating shutter . Nice repair bill! Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-26-2006 03:49 AM                     Yea..those rotary dowsers of those "boat anchors" really suck when they love to have a mind on their own, especially with the selinoid that holds the things open.  |  IP: Logged

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