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Author Topic: Will a well-made splice be visible onscreen? Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-14-2003 05:16 PM                        Sorry if I've take this old thread from the archive but I believe it is better than opening a new one with the same subject, am I right Brad? I have a question. In the multiplex I'm working now I'm using CIR splicers. Perhaps I will be soon in a multiplex equipped with Neumades. When I worked in a one-screen theater I modified my CIR as FT shows, and all went perfect for years. Now I was not sure that the same improvement could be the best thing to do since the job is much more than before and I set for another time my wish to modify all the CIR and train the team. In the meantime we made all overlapped splices (using the "Special" feature of the CIR, I know now that is not inteded to do overlap and I understand why!). However the problem is that during reels splices the image jumps too much for my wishes... But making all butt splices means to have a lot of POP between trailers and, particularly, between all leaders spliced after the fader has been set for film (think of a lens change black leader before sound logo...). But butt splices usually do not have problem at reel change since usually Dolby Digital does not drop in analog and the image does not jump or jumps in a not noticeable way. So I set the job in this way: butt splices between reels and overlapped anywhere else! it works, I have silence between trailers (don't mind if I damage a bit the perforations of few trailers!) and pre-show stuff but almost invisible splices between reels. So where is the problem? Here: what about Neumade splicers? Since they does not have the variable pins, I can just decide to make butt OR overlapped splices, right? Perhaps I can setup half splicers for overlapping and half not... I will appreciate your opinions and suggestions!! Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-14-2003 05:39 PM                     I think you need to address an issue with your projectors before worrying too much about your splicers.  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-14-2003 06:06 PM                        In other words? A  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-14-2003 06:38 PM                     The trouble with overlap splices is that there are many different machines that will jump as they pass through the trap To [prevent the audio pop bloop the splice  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-14-2003 07:10 PM                        Gordon, Brad I made two pictures to explain what I want to say... Pls do not smile! In this way the image does not jump too much since the print that is coming is between the maltese sprocket and the print that is running out. In this way the image jump a lot since the print that is coming is between the maltese sprocket and the print that is running out causing an overlap that "pull" the incoming print like the arrow. I tested it. But sometimes you have no time to think the correct order of overlap!! This is why I decided to make butt splices. Gordon, why do you say that butt splices make no pop in sound? It is not so simple to have perfectly butt splices (particularly with CIR splicer!! ). Sometimes a bit of light pass trought and you can hear the pop... What do you think?? Bye! A  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-14-2003 07:33 PM                     What kind of machines do you have Antonio? I agree with Gordon that there are machines out there that will have a vertical jump on an overlap splice as it passes, but from previous conversations about this it was learned that those are generally the undesirable projectors anyway.  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-14-2003 07:39 PM                        Victoria 5 all the time. But it seems reasonable that an overlapped splice will cause a little jump in the image, isn't it? I'm talking of a little jump but I prefert not to see it! A butt splice does not jump at all (or: I'm the only one in the auditorium that see the splice!). I have no experience with other brands of projectors, I can't say nothing on them... Bye A  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-14-2003 07:40 PM                     I use CIR splicers all the and don't have pops If one takes the time to align the cutter and then use blooping ink they are silent  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-14-2003 08:43 PM                        I do not use blooping ink. Are there some special pencil? I found that "permanent" ink left part of the ink when rewind. However, I have no problems with CIRs. I wonder how can I do with Neumade without overlapping and without blooping ink. Bye A  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 11-14-2003 09:21 PM                        CIR makes a blooping pen which goes with the splicer.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 11-15-2003 12:52 AM                     Industrial strength sharpies work pretty well also. You just have to let it dry before winding becasue it will com off of the splice,or maybe make it under the tape, I never tried that. Personally, I prefer to over lap, less annoyinf to see a jump then hear a pop.  |  IP: Logged Mike Baer Film Handler Posts: 51 From: Winterthur, Switzerland Registered: Dec 2002 posted 11-15-2003 08:27 AM                        Antonio, i work with Vic 5s and the Neumade Splicer. And the overlap splices go through the Machine without Problems. Only sometimes after the Intermissionband when the first Pic of the new reel came,it jumps. And with the CIR with the moveable Pins it is possible to make a butt splice without any gap and pop.  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-15-2003 06:47 PM                        Mike So let me say that I prefer butt splices since they jump less than overlapped ones!! I didn't say that it's impossibile to make butt splices with CIR, but it is not so simple... And when you're under one of your CNR and you have to splice something... It's almost impossibile!! That's why I prefer to make overlapped splices other than in the film. As many said the moveable pins shouldn't be used to overlapped prints since if you overlap in this way you damage the perforation and then also the butt splice jumps! Bye A  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-15-2003 06:59 PM                        i think i'd rather hear a pop than see a jump, within reason. y'all are just spoiled on noiseless digital sound.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-15-2003 07:33 PM                        I prefer splices that don't jump or pop. I use Neumade splicers that make splices with very slight overlaps. The splices don't pop and don't jump in Century or Simplex projectors. It's been about a year since I last touched a V5 or Kinoton, but splices didn't jump in those, either.  |  IP: Logged

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