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Author Topic: Beware of dts problems with "The Hulk" Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-24-2003 04:14 AM                     Greg, you'll have to search the archives for discussions on this. Playing the already-too-loud trailers in SR isn't such an audible assault to the audience as playing them in digital. If the trailers are too loud/powerful/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to the audience, they generally complain to turn it down. Most theaters don't have a way to automate the fader, and as such then the features are REALLY played low. An extra added benefit is when the feature begins and the lights dim, the sound "kicks in" so to say and has more of an effect. This is also why I (and many others) play trailers with left, center, right without surrounds or subs. Since people come to see the feature and the previews are just extra, many people (myself included) find it ridiculous to let the trailer program adversely affect the feature presentation. Digital is not always better.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-24-2003 04:14 AM                        Very often the digital trailers are mixed badly and brutally loud. The idea seems to be "our trailer will get the most attention if it is the loudest". The DFP-D3000 has a fader memory function for trailers. When you enable it, the DFP will remember the settings you last chose for each trailer. You can also transfer these settings to other units. So you can manually tame the trailers the first time you play your new reel and then it will play it back that way. Other than that, you can only fight loud trailers by playing them at a lower level - if your automation lets you control the fader - or play them in SR.  |  IP: Logged Greg Routenburg Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: May 2003 posted 06-24-2003 04:22 AM                     Thanks Brad, that's an excellent point. It'd save me a ton of time having to run around the booth every time a customer complains to an usher that the volume is too loud. It absolutly drives me nuts.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-24-2003 04:25 AM                     What kind of sound processors and automation do you have? There are a lot of super easy tricks to get around that issue with many common processors.  |  IP: Logged Greg Routenburg Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: May 2003 posted 06-24-2003 04:32 AM                     I'm sure there are. We are running CP-500's with Component Engineering TA-10 Automation Systems and FM-35 Cue Detectors.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-24-2003 04:40 AM                     SUPER easy with a CP500. Tell me which soft key is activated when the douser opens and which soft key is activated when the feature begins and the lights dim fully and I can tell you how to easily do this.  |  IP: Logged Greg Routenburg Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: May 2003 posted 06-24-2003 04:44 AM                     seeing as this is getting a little off topic, shall we take this to the chatroom?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-24-2003 06:53 AM                        If you feel some trailers are still mixed too loud, you should contact someone on the TASA Committee or NATO with details of the offending trailers: http://www.thx.com/mod/services/tasa.html http://www.dolby.com/press/wb.pr.0101.AMPAS.html http://www.boxoff.com/issues/feb01/tasa.html  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-24-2003 09:45 AM                     Greg Cineplex Odeon has a standard wireing procedure for their TA10's and they would probably not appreciate it being modified  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-24-2003 11:11 AM                        Am I alone in not noticing any "too-loud digital trailers" for quite a while?  |  IP: Logged R. Andrew Diercks Expert Film Handler Posts: 232 From: Marion, Iowa (In the middle of everywhere) Registered: May 2003 posted 06-24-2003 11:15 AM                     Thank you for mentioning the DTS issue. Now I am running Hulk in a Dolby Digital but Friday it will move to DTS. Andy Diercks-Manager Cinema 5  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-24-2003 11:27 AM                        David wrote: quote: Am I alone in not noticing any "too-loud digital trailers" for quite a while? Thanks. The industry TASA Team was initiated by the Inter-Society Committee for the Enhancement of Cinema Presentation, with significant support from NATO, MPAA, THX, and Dolby. I am the current President of the Inter-Society. As I noted, report any specific trailers you believe to be excessively loud to TASA, with details of when and where you heard them. They continue to examine the levels allowed by the TASA recommendation to see if a further reduction is needed.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-24-2003 12:39 PM                     Gordon, Greg shouldn't have to touch any wiring with a CP500 to do what he needs.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-24-2003 12:52 PM                     Again greg should check with his service engineer before attempting any changes to equipment setup or procedures  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-24-2003 01:42 PM                     John, I think people got tired of complaining about the trailer level and have just put up with it or taken it upon themselves to use automations with fader control or set up outboard rigs to do the job. Unfortunately I do see people still running the trailers at a nice level, then the features are too quiet to have the impact the sound mixers worked so hard on. I think the trailers still need to be turned down another 5db. Therein lies the problem though, not everyone will ever agree completely. It is better now, but still not enough. The trailers should not be noticeably louder than the feature. (Please open up a new thread or resurrect an older one for further discussion on the trailer level discussion. We are getting way too off topic here.)  |  IP: Logged

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