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Author Topic: MiT platter design review Max Biela Film Handler Posts: 89 From: Dortmund, Germany Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-14-2004 06:23 AM                     Why is the Ernemann-Payout crap???  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-14-2004 08:42 AM                        I really don't like it when guard rollers are around the brain. It's easy for film to become wrapped around one of them the wrong way through normal film handling. Plus they just make the thing look cluttered with rollers and it doesn't really add to the functionality. A fence would be good, but even the old tall Christie posts were decent enough for me. The only problem there is that they would discolor over time. Please make sure that the payout and takeup are independent of each other (I assume they already are). I can't stand how on Strongs and other platters the takeup determines how fast the payout will spin. Hell for interlocks if you want smooth payout. I do like the way the Christie take up is threaded. Make sure the brain has enough tension in it so the film doesn't over feed and has enough tension for a media cleaner. Strongs are also notrious for this lack of tension as are ORC/Super platters as well as others. Make sure the brain has drop DOWN threading. From the looks of it, that is how it already is. Nothing is more annoying than trying to push the film through a little crack when threading the brain like on a Strong, and is even more annoying when you try to unthread them for any reason. By now I assume you've seen the Strong platter review here, so you know what I hate about it and why. No ball bearings, please!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-14-2004 08:56 AM                     Brad, No, Since the original Simplex is still available I would probably not install the Apogee in a big job unless it was close to the office. I've been through that sort of experience both in Broadcast and in this industry way too many times and know better!! After a piece has been out for a couple of years then I would consider installing it. I guess after you've been in this field for 25 years and have been through as many first installations of some new piece of equipment then you'd understand. I feel a big responsablility to keep a customer reliably equipped, after all its my customers money I am usually spending. Mark  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-14-2004 11:16 AM                        Good point Joe about the guard rollers being a possible misthread location, since the feed plate sits flush with the deck there is no possibility of film scratching until it hits the center support, we could move the rollers in to that point making it more difficult to mis-thread. Payout and take-up are completely independent, to the point of having their own filters and sensors. Drop down threading, yes. Center roller has a cleaver 'sealed' drag mechanism - no more messy spring that dries out.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-14-2004 12:01 PM                     Is the amount of drag adjustable though?  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-14-2004 04:34 PM                        Yes, by changing the viscosity of the 'drag' agent - you would have to dig out the plug and re-seal it.  |  IP: Logged Pete Wolla Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Tioga, ND, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 01-14-2004 07:31 PM                     Carbon fiber bonded under the platter disk?I've seen carbon fiber bonded to both sides of aluminum it becomes unbendable. Don't know about one side though. just a thought  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 01-14-2004 08:18 PM                     Love the new MIT projector....a perfect copy of a Kinoton  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-14-2004 08:56 PM                        Richard, as I said, "not re-inventing the wheel here, going with what we know works ....".  |  IP: Logged Peter Mork Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Newton, MA, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-14-2004 09:57 PM                     "Over center spring’ motor release mechanism" - means clutch? Must have one. I wish my Christies and Specos did. The main thing I recommend is to test and see which ways you can run it with the film incorrectly threaded but it still works. That's where trouble arises. Remember that no operator is perfect, but a system that can be run incorrectly without anyone noticing until damage is done is not well designed. For instance, if you can miss a roller and run with the film dragging over a bracket, that bracket should be padded or otherwise designed not to scratch the film. I call this Pappas Proofing (after a former fellow worker who had a knack for gouging prints). I did a lot of this to the systems we use, but would be delighted to see one that anticipated all the wrong ways it could be used, and took steps to ensure that goofs don't result in ruined prints.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-14-2004 10:01 PM                     Must the MUT plug be at the base of the tree? I hate having to get on my knees to plug the MUT into Chrsitie and Strong platters And I am probably the only one here that would like to see the MUT with horizontal reel(s) a la Strong/Potts... -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-14-2004 10:43 PM                     "not re-inventing the wheel here, going with what we know works ....". _________________________________________________________________ Hey, I love that line, it really ought to become the industry standard line !! That should be printed on the first batch of MiT T-Shirts . Mark  |  IP: Logged John Westlund Expert Film Handler Posts: 204 From: Burney, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 01-14-2004 10:50 PM                     Having the MUT plug at the bottom keeps the cord out of the way of the film path should you be running a show and using the MUT.  |  IP: Logged Bevan Wright Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Fountain Valley, CA, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-14-2004 11:02 PM                        How about 'Not re-inventing the reel here....' - I'm sure Steve would go for it.  |  IP: Logged Max Biela Film Handler Posts: 89 From: Dortmund, Germany Registered: Sep 2003 posted 01-15-2004 12:33 AM                     Aaron, I would like a horizontal MUT too. As we get our Prints on cores, it is almost the only design that would work. But please put the MUT on the same height that you can directly Make Up or take down a print from the middle platter (No Rollers, only needed to use the upper or lower platter to make up/take down) The older Kinotons were like this (so no "re-inventing of the wheel") Max  |  IP: Logged

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