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Author Topic: "Soul Plane" Cyan Dye Track Performance Daniel Alt Expert Film Handler Posts: 111 From: Lakewood, OH, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 05-31-2004 10:59 AM                     Now I'm getting curious... is there anyone who DID get a cyan print of this, since everyone who's posted thus far didn't?  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-31-2004 11:19 AM                     I can confirm a cyan spotting in Hayes, VA. The analog track was cyan and the Dolby Digital track looked normal (not cyan colored but the traditional opaque somewhat grey color). Steve  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-31-2004 08:49 PM                        my 4 prints had notes enclosed telling me they were cyan, but the soundtracks themselves did not appear to be that color.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-31-2004 08:50 PM                     Ah, more cyan threats. "CONVERT NOW OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!! ALL PRINTS OF THIS MOVIE WILL BE CYAN!!!" Yeah, uh huh.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-31-2004 08:52 PM                    It would have been the perfect movie to distribute all CYAN too... no one coming to see it anyway.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-02-2004 12:44 PM                        At recent Cyan Dye Track committee meetings, some distributors suggested ways of handling the issue of recycling prints into undeveloped countries where use of red readers was still low. One suggestion was to print a random mixed inventory of cyan dye and dye+silver track prints, since they were both compatible with red readers, and would not need to be separately inventoried for North American theatres. When the used prints were recycled overseas, the dye+silver prints would be sorted and sent to territories that were behind on conversion to red light readers. I suspect this may be what was done here.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-02-2004 01:35 PM                     Yes, because the international release of Soul Plane will be HUGE!! Especially in the undeveloped countries in Africa. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-02-2004 01:45 PM                        Some pictures perform surprisingly well overseas.  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 06-02-2004 02:34 PM                     Problems, what problems? So far, the only problems on this film regarding cyan were that some people didn'g get the cyan print they were promised. MGM elected, since they were the first to make a blanket statement on cyan for all upcoming films, to release the film as a "random" 50% Cyan, 50% Silver-applicated release. The word that all prints would be cyan was to aviod dual inventory for the domestic release. Dual inventory is a bad word. That's what has kept cyan from coming out previous to the present situation. Anyone receiving a print of "Soul Plane" would have a 50/50 chance of getting a cyan print. It will be the same on MGM's next release, until MGM feels comfortable about changing the precentages. Although some of you didn't get cyan this time, don't worry, you will. Have faith. And it worked. MGM's random 50/50 domestic release worked exactly the way it was supposed to. Everyone who wasn't ready for it got ready, and those who received a cyan print had no problems playing it. Those who received a silver applicated print... scratched their head for 30 seconds, then had no problems playing it. Those attending CineExpo can attend a pannel on Cyan hosted by Ioan Allen of Dolby Laboratories, with representatives from Technicolor, Rome, MGM, UIP and Disney. We are trying to get this out to the International territories, some of which are not near the domestic level of 85% red-light reader ready. So... no "real" problems here at Film-Tech, right? And no problems (yet) reported from MGM, having spoken with them Tuesday morning, post opening weekend. To me, that's the definition of another successful cyan release. I beleive MGM has 5 more releases coming out before Disney's "Mr. 3000", so if you haven't built it, start building, it will come. May you all taste cyan by this Thanksgiving. And for the sake of law suits, I do not mean that literally Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-02-2004 02:54 PM                        Thanks Ted. Looks like I guessed right about the reason for the mixed inventory. Good luck on getting those "third world" theatres to install modern readers.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2004 03:12 PM                        It will be interesting to see what happens when cyan releases become wider. "Soul Plane" probably isn't a great test (though it probably was a good choice of title to "test the waters" with cyan), especially since it seems to be taking and won't likely have much life left in it for second-run and nontheatrical exhibitors. If there are ~1500 prints of "Soul Plane", half of the prints have cyan tracks, and ~15% of theatres don't have LED readers, that means that only ~100 screens would be problematic if the distribution of prints and LED readers were random. Thus, few problems would be expected. (Evans, please correct my math if there are errors.) Of course, we know that the distribution of prints and readers isn't random. I'm willing to bet that a) the first run houses which are currently playing Soul Plane have a disproportionate number of LED readers (being, in most cases, newer buildings with newer equipment) and that b) in the case of multiplexes, there may be a mix of red and white readers in the same complex, and cyan prints could be moved to houses with LED readers as appropriate. Even though I'm not a huge fan of the cyan track concept, I do give credit to the Dye Track Committee for actually being able to effect change in an industry which is notoriously resistant to it and for exercising caution in the implementation process. And if anyone who got a cyan print wants to, um, "recycle" the attached trailer by sending it to me, let me know. If I can get it, I will post mp3 files of the sound when played on various types of soundheads.  |  IP: Logged Ron Yost Master Film Handler Posts: 344 From: Paso Robles, CA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 06-02-2004 06:00 PM                     Out of curiosity, is the 85% U.S. domestic cyan-ready figure a count of actual projectors or is it of theatres .. who may, or may not, have -all- of their machines converted? How does anyone know this figure is accurate? Was there a 'census' form sent out or?? Just wonderin'. Ron Yost  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 06-02-2004 06:02 PM                     I have a cyan print of Soul Plane. I also have a led reader on this particular projector. I am not running it in digital. I noticed that the sound is a lot clearer and the bass is better. Does it matter if the digital track is in cyan since it is read off of cd's anyway?  |  IP: Logged Andy Muirhead Master Film Handler Posts: 323 From: Galashiels, Scotland Registered: Dec 2000 posted 06-02-2004 07:06 PM                     Is Soul Train the first cyan release? I had a print of Taking Lives the other month with a cyan track.  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 06-02-2004 07:55 PM                     Andy, "Soul Plane" is not the first Cyan release (DreamWorks released Woody Allen's "Anything Else" last year), it is MGM's first of many. MGM is going cyan from here on out. Disney is doing the same starting in January of 2005. Yet, Andy, may I quote you about "Taking Lives"? I had heard rumors about this, but nothing confirmed... Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged

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