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Author Topic: "Soul Plane" Cyan Dye Track Performance Frank Jerkic Film Handler Posts: 77 From: Ayr Queensland Australia Registered: May 2004 posted 06-13-2004 09:09 PM                        I have not bean slack about this Cyan stuff, I think it was in 1999 that a Tech was running around selling the 'Must Have' Jaxlights and advising us exhibitors to be ready for the cyan explosion in 2000, I rang all distributors including Atlab about this and nobody had any idea of what I was on about, Atlab told me that there is no orders for any titles to be made in Cyan? I along with other exhibitors have been trying to get a hold of some cyan film or info about what reader is best but not everybody is so sure it will happen? I would have thought that if it was going to happen there would be trailers in cyan or some way of testing this new idea before you have a full house / feature I have just gone to the Atlab site today 15/6/04 and this is what they say below. Thanxs for ya time Catchya Frank Over the next few months, film companies will begin releasing films with cyan dye analog sound-tracks. The first film to be released this way will be the new Jason Biggs, Christina Ricci romantic comedy, Anything Else, scheduled for release September 19, 2003. All prints will have the new tracks. The new process will have significant environmental benefits. To play the new analog sound-tracks, your projector must be equipped with a visible red light analog reader. If you attempt to play this soundtrack using a white light or infra-red reader, the sound level will be greatly reduced, or even inaudible. If your projectors are not yet equipped with red light readers, you should contact your theatre equipment dealer as soon as possible. Digital playback is not affected by the new process. For further information about analog cyan dye tracks, the environmental benefits, and red light readers, go to www.dyetracks.org Comments As far as Atlab knows at this stage, any prints for this film to be distributed in Australia will be brought in from overseas. There are no orders for any conventional silver soundtrack prints. Atlab Australia will start making cyan dyetrack release prints of all titles as soon as orders are received from distributors. Theatres equipped with digital sound systems for SRD, SDDS or DTS should remember that all these systems use the analogue track as a fall-back format in case of digital failure. More explanation of cyan dyetracks may be found in the technical library at www.atlab.com.au.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-14-2004 05:21 PM                     It is human nature to be unsure about your equipment being able to work with the new standard until you are able to prove it to yourself. The "powers that be" could have gone a long way toward calming everyones fears, and gaining faster exceptance by just sending everyone some film with cyan optical track on it. Maybe something like the "Buzz and Bill Show" that DTS put out. Include different types of audio, and some test tones. Don't just tell me it works, let me prove it to myself.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Case Expert Film Handler Posts: 131 From: Sydney NSW Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 06-16-2004 07:47 PM                       Frank has quoted a dated (2003-8-1)news announcement from the Atlab site: it's quite correct but of course the MGM release of Soul Plane eclipses the previous release. When there is something more to add, we'll put it up on the site. The main point is that while distributors boldly announce from their Burbank offices that they will release cyan globally, it still takes a long time for the word to trickle through to the outer provinces (even Australia!). Atlab will definitely be supplying cyan tracks as soon as our customers (the studios/distributors) order them. And we can't wait for that day to come! I'm very concerned about the mixed inventory tactic that Soul Plane has apparently been released in. This will inevitably lead to carelessly mixed tracks when prints are sent on to secondary markets, and some theatres in the less enlightened areas will be reporting sudden drops of 11db from one reel to the next.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-02-2004 03:25 PM                     Just got Soul Plane at the sub-run and... it's a CYAN PRINT! Of all the regular-track prints out there, they send these to the dollar houses. The least likely to be equipped with red readers. And we're not. We got good ole Cinemeccanica Exciter Bulb readers! The print is in a DTS house for now. I will click it into Analog at the credits just to take a listen and will report back. Our smaller screens are mono, so once the print moves there, I'll report back as well, as some (John P) have expressed interest in the performance on "Outdated Equipment" =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-02-2004 03:36 PM                        You could try calling 1-800-99-FILMS and explaining that your print has a defective soundtrack (every other film sounds fine in that house, right?) and that you would like a replacement.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 07-02-2004 05:46 PM                     Pretty bad when some of my international friends in "3 - 4th world countries" are more up to date than Central Florida USA  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-03-2004 12:23 PM                     Scott -- I thought about it, but this print is in excellent physical shape (except the attached trailer was removed, but they left the green band on the leader. Stole my free cyan test loop! Damn AMC! ) and I was afraid of getting the usual platter-scratched mess from TES. Regardless, I informed management and gave them the note from the cans. Whatever they choose to do now is out of my hands. I told them about Cyan months ago. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-03-2004 03:59 PM                        The problem is that if you don't complain to TES (and MGM), it makes it easy for both parties to say that the release was "successful" and that there were "no problems with dye tracks." The end result of this will be more prints with dye tracks that your theatre won't be able to play.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-03-2004 09:01 PM                     Bottom line scott you are wrong there is nothing wrong with the print only theatres that don't stay current with the technology  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-04-2004 12:35 AM                     OK, reporting back. I clicked Soul Plane into analog during the credits, which contained the latest thrilling hip-hop track. (Lots of low bass and high twangs) Here's what happened. It played in DTS at 5.5 on a Dolby CP55. I switched to Analog, and went into the theater to take a listen. Volume level was considerably lower. Back in the booth, I turned up the volume to match the level that it was playing in in DTS. Had to turn it up from 5.5 to 7.5-8 for it to be acceptable. Back to the auditorium... WHOA! The distortion!! Low frequency seemed to "drivel" rather than "pump." Instead of a thumping bass, I got a flat, deflated sound as if you were to put your lips together and exhale. The best way I could describe it is that the speaker sounded tired. High frequency was another matter. The highs sounded VERY "tinny" like the old drive-in car window speakers. Cup your hands over your ears and you'll get a feeling for what I'm talking about. Now I thought at first, being a projectionist and all, that I could have been overly-critical as I was actually listening for any problems. But the first thing one of the ushers said when they came in to clean was, "What's wrong with the sound??" -- So it wasn't just me. Scott, you've got a very good point there. Is there someone I could contact that would actually care about this, though? A call to the TES 1800 number might get me a new print and an apology at best, but that's as far as the cyan comments would go there. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-04-2004 12:37 PM                     Or better yet Gordon...complain and hold back this inferior technology for the superior technology. Cyan is inferior...still is. Steve  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-04-2004 03:23 PM                     Agreed with Scott, if the depots and studios don't get complaints, we will here more of the "successful" rollouts. Personally I don't care anymore. Bring it on or go away.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-04-2004 04:12 PM                     I have no compasion for the theatre they have had more than ample warning to either be ready or don't book the film  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-04-2004 04:15 PM                  quote: Gordon McLeod Bottom line scott you are wrong there is nothing wrong with the print only theatres that don't stay current with the technology Yeah! Put in them thar TV projectors! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-06-2004 02:19 PM                        Next release from MGM with cyan dye tracks will be this week (July 9): "Sleepover".  |  IP: Logged

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