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Author Topic: Stupid "features" of cinema equipment Ian Joseph Parfrey Film Handler Posts: 56 From: Bollier Queensland Australia Registered: Sep 2004 posted 09-15-2004 07:19 PM                     Hi Matthew. You...er.. ah..wouldn't want to swap..by any chance?????  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 09-16-2004 09:08 AM                     The original ORC lamphouses where used as military helicopter searchlights hence the small size.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-16-2004 10:20 AM                     Actually I think Ian Joseph Parfrey just spelled out his ignorance of the beast. First off the ORC was a precedent setting lamphouse when it came out in the early 70's. It literally pushed the limits and envelope of available semiconductors at the time. Today any ORC integrated lamphouse can be made totally reliable by rebuilding with todays semiconductors, ripping out the top cooling fan and installing a proper external cooling system to it. I used them for years for portable work on over 30 dailies jobs and never had a problem with one once... they ran for days on end some times. New semi's and a large external cooling system, and some technical common sense is all it takes to make them a very reliable piece of equipment. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-16-2004 01:29 PM                    Were ORC1000's the standard for the Jerry Lewis cinemas (along with paired Ballantynes running big reels)?  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 09-16-2004 02:57 PM                     I'm with Mark, one has to look at them in their time. With a little modernisation they are good bits of kit, light output is good if they are well aligned and the mirror healthy.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-16-2004 05:47 PM                     Some Jerry Lewis cinemas were all Norelco equipped, some all Simplex, the latter ones were Ballantynes because of theor easy install plug together package.... and those are the dreaded Ballantynes too as they are among the first built and cost a fortune to bring up to date. They actually make better boat anchors. Alot of the cinemas used the 1000 because it was also plug in the wall item and allowed owners a way around both strict codes and unions. Mark  |  IP: Logged Matthew Jaro Film Handler Posts: 74 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 09-16-2004 07:02 PM                        All that is well and good --- but I am still happy to be rid of them. You can't get a silk purse out of a sow's ear. --- Mark --- I bet the Super Lumexes with the Version 2 switching power supplies are lighter than the ORCs making it better for portable work.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-16-2004 08:53 PM                     quote: --- Mark --- I bet the Super Lumexes with the Version 2 switching power supplies are lighter than the ORCs making it better for portable work. According to t he Strong web site the Super Lumex weighs 85 lbs all by itself and the rectifier another 65 or so depending on which wattage unit you buy so thats quite a bit more than the model 1000's 80 or so pounds. I have a customer that bought several systems from me and he has the Supers with switchers. I like the color temperature of the light better from the ORC nickle reflector though.... While I didn't buy a silk purse my 1000's caused alot more dollars to be printed and deposited into my bank account from the rental jobs they were on. So lets say they at least came with a silver lining. Mark  |  IP: Logged Thomas Jonsson Expert Film Handler Posts: 216 From: Bromolla, Sweden Registered: Sep 2003 posted 09-17-2004 02:50 PM                       I think the "pushers" above the Victoria 5 curved gate is a stupid feature. I can´t really figure out what they´re good for. All they do is causing extra-hard-to- get-rid-off build up of dirt/wax. I took them off and that was an improvement on all aspects. Jerry Lewis theaters??? Now, that´s a guy I really love. Does he own a chain of theaters or did someone name the theaters after him? Thomas  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-17-2004 05:25 PM                    It was a franchised chain of theatres intended to run family-oriented films.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-17-2004 06:31 PM                     Ahhh Steven, You kind of left off the majority of the story...... Thomas might not think too much of Jerry if he knew the whole story... Most of those Jerry Lewis cinemas came and went within just a few years and eventually the Jerry Lewis Cinema Corporation went bankrupt taking most of the money and running so to say. Alot of people lost alot of money to him on those deals. Just a very few of those cinemas survived and just several out of the whole lot of them remain today. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-17-2004 09:14 PM                        The Jerry Lewis Cinema in Rochester lasted only a year or two. The building is now an auto parts store.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 09-17-2004 09:31 PM                     On my Kinotone FP-38D's there is a funky split guide roller just before the takeups. It is spring loaded and had a reed switch to kill the projectors' motor if it sprang together. The idea is for the film under tension to keep it spread apart. A really piss-poor design for a failsafe, if you even farted near the damn thing it would kill the machine. It was connected only for the first ten minutes of the facility's first test screening and has been disconnected since!!  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-17-2004 10:13 PM                     Up here the Jerry Lewis theatres were all equiped with a Vic 4 package Also for what appears some uneducated rants on the ORC the ORC M1000 was designed for a 700watt lamp not 1000 nor was the 1600 designed for anything greater than 1000watts In fact if the uninformed took the time to look up the spect lamps in the old ORC catalogue you would see that in fact the M1000 used a 700 watter The name was choosen because the light output of the M1000 with a 700watt lamp equalled the output of competeing 1000watt vertical systems  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 09-17-2004 10:17 PM                        The Jerry Lewis people put a real strong-arm on the local theatre operator where I grew up. After a "reasonable" investment, they'd oversee construction of the theatre, then set up all operating systems and booking. Technically, the operator only needed to consult "the book" to address any situation. I don't recall... was it an upper limit of "M" back then? Thankfully, they went banko before anything got real serious. One can only imagine how much mileage they could have gotten out of old "Rat Pack" movies. Interesting to hear that they also used the Ballantyne twin-VIP pre-wired package. Up 'til now, I was only aware of Oregon's (former) Tom Moyer chain (then Act III, now Regal). He LOVED those things! quote: Gordon McLeod The name was choosen because the light output of the M1000 with a 700watt lamp equalled the output of competeing 1000watt vertical systems Uh-huh... and what were they? Those horrid vertical Christies with the 6 inch thick condensers? God, what nasty pieces of "design" those things were.  |  IP: Logged

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