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Author Topic: The Incredibles Print - Reel Change Indicators Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-03-2004 09:04 PM                        I'd rather go do some card counting a little further down the road.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-03-2004 09:09 PM                     Here it is.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-03-2004 09:56 PM                     Looks like the IB cues from Godzilla. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Aaron Haney Master Film Handler Posts: 265 From: Cupertino, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 11-03-2004 10:31 PM                     Are the prints all on Kodak Vision Premiere (2393)? In the "feature info" forum, Brad posted a link to this site: http://projection.pixar.com/ Which has a little box in the upper left listing "film specs", including a specific mention of "kodak vision premiere stock". Are all the prints on 2393, or just some? If all, that makes me very excited. I've seen enough stuff printed on 2393 vs. 2383 to know that the difference is amazing. I am really looking forward to seeing this movie in theaters now.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-03-2004 10:40 PM                        This animation from Pixar's site is pretty neat:  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-03-2004 10:47 PM                     Not only that, but somebody deserves a pat on the back for a studio actually putting up the ID frames on the Web. Nice to see Brad's idea getting some play, yay! I like their description of the c/o cues, "The changeover cue marks are a little different from what you normally see. In keeping with the cool Sixties vibe of the movie, the cues have been designed to look like the films of that era." Also, it's not clear they violate the SMPTE standard. As long as there is a circle, I think they're in compliance. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-03-2004 11:43 PM                     Great site. Check out the video note from Brad Bird!  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-03-2004 11:55 PM                    From Brad Bird: quote: Find a DTS system enclosed with the reels. Holy moly!  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-04-2004 12:03 AM                        No wonder our booker tried to book a print for every one of our Dolby Digital auditoriums!  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-04-2004 02:35 AM                        quote: Brad Miller Anyway, I'm against changeover cues in the first place. Any good changeover operator can do the job without any markings on the film anyway, but obviously after almost a century, the practice won't change for a variety of reasons. In principle, agreed entirely. Most presentation, especially for newly released mainstream features, is now from platters. Any houses which run changeovers should have a decent cue dot scriber (e.g. an Acmade or a Clint Phare) in the box as standard equipment, and the knowledge to apply dots properly and in the right place. As Brad points out there are also several ways to do changeovers without the need for any visible marks at all. The way I was taught to handle archive prints which don't have dots was to place a layer of joining tape across the film where the motor and over cues would be, use the audible 'clicks' as they go through the gate as your cues, and then carefully remove the tape when rewinding and packing off the reel. The problem is living in the real world, in which 'projectionists' habitually mangle the first and last few feet of each reel when cues aren't printed on from an interneg. If printed cues helps to keep that under control, then I suppose they're the lesser of two evils.  |  IP: Logged Jarrod Cocker Film Handler Posts: 33 From: a Registered: Oct 2004 posted 11-04-2004 07:35 AM                    Does anyone remember that stupid US only promotion they did with Rugrats go Wild a couple of years back. It confused the out of us here in AUS, as no one told us there would be these stupid markings throughout the film - I think from memory they where numbers? We even got a reduced fee from those evil distributors. Siily US second hand prints.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-04-2004 11:40 AM                     quote: Leo Enticknap 'projectionists' habitually mangle the first and last few feet of each reel when cues aren't printed on from an interneg What do printed changeover cues have to do with poorly-trained or apathetic operators mishandling film during buildup and breakdown?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-04-2004 11:55 AM                        It reduces the chances that some idiot will attempt to make his own cues with hole punchers, razor blades, etc. I think I am safe in saying that pretty much everyone hates Cues Done Wrong. As for the cues on "The Incredibles"--I'll agree with jhawk that it sounds like a fun and harmless idea, as long as they're no more visible than standard lab cues. The day theatrical films start including on-screen "bugs" like most TV shows do now is the day I stop going to movies, however.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-04-2004 01:36 PM                        Sorry Adam; as Scott wrote, I was describing the situation in which a print without cue marks arrives at a badly run changeover house and has DIY cues put on it. By the time it's accumulated several sets of DIY cues, the heads and tails are usually a gruesome mess. This phenomenon happens quite frequently with arthouse titles here because French labs don't print cue dots.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-05-2004 01:08 AM                    Reel #2 on one of our prints (haven't checked the 2nd one yet) had the real changeover dots printed over top of the animated ones. All the other reels on that print did not. Strange. Anyone else see that?  |  IP: Logged

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