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Author Topic: Pixar, Disney, Dolby "Film Done Right" Contest
Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 11-03-2004 12:58 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sorry...the show is the show...if you put on a great show, picture and sound...there need be no level playing field. If you can't afford a good show, then your show isn't good.

As to the chains...they don't generally pay for the best and that shows...you can't just buy quality and if you buy a decent processor and put idiots at the wheel then that will come through.

Then again, if you have just the mono processor you can afford but your operators are the best...the customer is still only obtaining a mono show...not exactly the best the industry has to offer.

However, doing the evaluations of the show in the first day or first week is bogus. A better test of how well the theatre is doing is on its later weeks...did the print get damaged? The smaller theatres, even in the chains tend to get the lesser equipment and get tended to less often.

Singles get the benefit that it is still on screen #1 but any problems in previous weeks will be magnified more.

Steve

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Paul Mayer
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Daryl, it's DCMI, Dolby Cinema Monitoring, Inc. On the two screen checks I've been called to do, the studio (Disney in both of my cases) paid for the service.

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Jesse Skeen
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I applied and did all the paperwork for that screencheck thing last year but haven't heard anything since. If I can find a single flawless presentation in this area (that I didn't have a hand in), I'll eat my hat! [Big Grin]
BTW Pixar- where were you when I saw that horrible presentation of "Finding Nemo", where the print was scratched (after only playing a couple weeks), lens looked like it was broken, and they kept the house lights up through the whole movie, bringing them up even brighter during the end credits (which had stuff going on during them)? And am I still eligible for a reward for running "Toy Story" for about 10 or so weeks with no film damage?

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote: Paul Mayer
On the two screen checks I've been called to do, the studio (Disney in both of my cases) paid for the service.
I guess the larger indies have a chance then.

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Jeff Akin
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quote: Jesse Skeen
BTW Pixar- where were you when I saw that horrible presentation of "Finding Nemo", where the print was scratched (after only playing a couple weeks), lens looked like it was broken, and they kept the house lights up through the whole movie, bringing them up even brighter during the end credits (which had stuff going on during them)? And am I still eligible for a reward for running "Toy Story" for about 10 or so weeks with no film damage?
Somebody sounds a little bitter.

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Jesse Skeen
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Sorry if I sounded a little pissed off- the whole election thing is stressing me out. Since politics is a touchy subject that's all I'm going to say about that.

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Scott Norwood
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I have no problems with Steve's position (that putting on a good show requires more than a great projectionist), but then shouldn't the theatre owners, manager(s), and technicians share in the rewards for putting on a perfect presentation?

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Jack Ondracek
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Being a small indie, and representing all of the above trades at my outlet, I have no problem with that! [beer]

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Brad Allen
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First day checking is a joke, the second joke is 300 different checkers will have 300 different opinions. What one checker deems is great, the next one would rate mediocre.
And if they only check the megaplexs, they sure as hell won't find the best. [Eek!]

Stupid, lame contest.

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Ted Costas
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Alright. The "word" is out. I'll try and answer a few questions... from my opinion only, and not that of Dolby, Disney, Pixar, or any of their respective companies.

1) Disney and Pixar care. They don't have to do a contest, set up a web site just for you guys, print up collector cards in jewel cases just for projectionists, and reward the winners (winners: projectionists that care) with t-shirts and signed one-sheets. And a "lucky" winner will get a trip to Pixar, lucky beacuse he/she will be drawn from all the winners. Not a lot of studios go out of their way like that...

2) The First Weekend. There are a few factors in the reasoning behind this decision... Box office, for instance, there's a large percentage of the film's total revenue that comes from the opening weekend, and along with that comes a large percenage of the film's total audience. Also, most films start dropping screens after a few weeks, which is probaly not the case here, but you know as well as I do that the average film's lifespan has been getting shorter... with all the new product coming out today. And lastly, we want to get everyone off to a good start, hoping quality remains on screen as long as possible. I know that if this was just a "Projectionist Contest", a few weeks into the run would be a better test... but this is "The Incredible Projectionist Contest," and the purpose is to reward those who give a little special attention to the "The Incredibles"... After all, they are paying for the contest.

3) Dolby, Dolby, Dolby. If you do not have a Dolby cinema processor in your theatre, well, you know where "those" entries will be going... Come on now. Don't you know me by now? Of course I have a strong opinion about the quality of our product at Dolby... I did before I came over to the "dark side" a few years ago. But when it comes to fair, un-biased reporting, boom, that's us. No theatre will get any preference because of their equipment. Dolby does not coose the locations, the studio does, and with the exception of the "automatic five point DTS deduction"... (kidding!) Seriously, if you are playing your show out of focus, you lose, Dolby theatre or not. If the sound drops out, you lose, Dolby theatre or not. If there are "pops" and poorly made change-overs between reels, you lose. If anything detracts from the presentation, you lose, and we don't care if you have the "Double D" all over your theatre... That's just the way it is.

And Phil... wow... good luck.

All the best, Ted

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Brad Miller
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quote: Ted Costas
the purpose is to reward those who give a little special attention to the "The Incredibles"
I'm going to be the first one to post the obvious retort to that comment. I treat ALL of my films with the same respect for quality. The Incredibles will not receive any extra attention, because my prints will return to the depot in absolutely flawless condition anyway...and that doesn't matter which of the 300 inspectors are grading it. So be sure and send an inspector over to my theater on the last day I play it. I'll put my last presentation up against anyone else's first presentation.

As far as the Dolby crack, I have to agree that's just silly that people with Dolby processors would somehow get extra points. Remember guys, the studio just hired Dolby to help evaluate the prints just like they used to do with TAP...but you didn't see TAP only evaluating theaters with THX sound systems now did ya? [Wink]

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John Hawkinson
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Wow, I'm surprised at the hostility to the idea.

One thing to keep in mind is that Dolby/BVPD/Pixar were probably doing to do their evaluations anyhow, and this is just a bit of publicity. On some level, it's a marketting ploy to encourage other studios to use their evaluation service.

But I think it is also quite good for the industry. It publicizes, in a positive way, that studios care about presentation. Sometimes we, as projectionists and industry insiders, get the feeling that is not the case. Certainly the general public seems to feel that way.

By letting people know that presentation is being monitored, it encourages everyone to work hard to improve the presentation, and that's a good thing, no matter how you slice it.

Sure, in a perfect world every print would be handled in a top notch way. But we definitely don't live in a perfect world, and you have to start somewhere, and having studios start with their headliners seems to only make sense.

Another thought -- I think that the 800-PHONE-THX directive at the end of movies was a good thing, because it encouraged patrons to care about presentation quality and to report problems (because Dolby can't have somebody evaluating every show at every theatre). It also means that you should be able to get some data on presentation quality after the first weekend, without the expensive of deploying evaluators repeatedly. Ted, is there some chance of bringing that back?

When was the last time we heard from LEDJER, anyow?

--jhawk

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Steve Guttag
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Scott,

Yes they should...however, in this "contest" it is the projectionist that is the last link in that extensive chain and is being singled out. As I've said before, if you are working in a sloth like theatre, it is also a reflection on yourself so my opinion still stands.

Steve

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Carl Martin
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there are indeed many flaws in the contest. but all in all it's probably better than nothing.

quote: Steve Guttag
if you are working in a sloth like theatre, it is also a reflection on yourself
i fail to see how doing the best one can under less than ideal circumstances reflects poorly on oneself. throwing in the towel, on the other hand...

carl

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Michael Schaffer
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quote: John Hawkinson
Wow, I'm surprised at the hostility to the idea.
Me too. People here complain all the time that nobody cares about quality presentation anymore and that nobody appreciates the work of the projectionists. Now here is an inititative which in itself will not solve all the cinema quality problems in the world - nobody claimed that anyway -, but which is a nice idea and most importantly, in a business where many don't give a sh*t at all and where the work of the projectionist is rarely rewarded, it is an important first step in the right direction.
Employees receive bonuses for exceptionally good work in many businesses, why shouldn't projectionists? In a perfect world there wouldn't be the need to. And yes, putting on a flawless show should be the norm and shouldn't have to be extra rewarded. But in this real world it often isn't like that, and a good percentage of the posts on this forum are about such quality problems and the fact that nobody cares.

I like the idea. I also liked the Finding Nemo focus loop (which our projectionists actually used). Anything in that direction is good and appreciated.

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