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Author Topic: Pixar, Disney, Dolby "Film Done Right" Contest Michael Rourke Expert Film Handler Posts: 159 From: San Luis Obispo, Central Coast of CA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-06-2004 04:17 AM                     I was Sabotaged! I got two used prints of the Incredibles and on one print the DTS head couldn't read the timecode and the analog would crackle in the center highs. Had to move a SDDS unit over to that auditorium, can you believe that is the track that works? A replacement is on the way but it could have cost me a shirt and poster, Oh well.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-06-2004 08:34 AM                     quote: Brad Miller There are no problems with SRD. Brad, That is a blatently misleading statement for you to make. Until you've visited other parts of the country and see what is actually going on in many different areas as I do then you are only standing on one leg, perhaps just one toe. Back in the Midwest area I had little actual trouble with SRD prints. However SRD is not trouble free in this part of the country. Overall none of the digital formats are trouble free nor will they ever be. As for print/reel replacement it can be done "if there's one available"....sometimes yes, sometimes no. While almost all of our installations have all three formats installed in them lately its been all DTS at our customers request.... Its also easier to get replacement disks than it is to tear down a print to replace it, or reel(s). Because all digital systems have problems.... be it software or hardware is why I've always insisted that our installs have the best analog playback capability available. Of course, then there's SRD and second run theatres where it works some of the time right along with Sony. Phil, Were I King..... There would be no Digital at all.... 70mm mag would rule and we'd have great picture quality to go along with the best sound playback medium thats ever been devised ! You can thank DOLBY and SRD for doing more to kill that format than any one else . Mark  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-06-2004 09:15 AM                     I watched this in DLP yesterday... does the same contest apply to DLP presentations of The Incredibles? If it does, no one at that theater would be going to Pixar anyway. Read on... Despite being a bulb that's probably on its 10th hour, flickering all over the place, smack in the middle of the movie the screen goes dark. The audinece is confused for a moment, moans, boos... then up on the screen pops a grey box: NO SIGNAL! I couldn't help myself so I yelled out, "YEAH! Digital is AWESOME!!" After a while, they rebooted the system (nice to see onscreen) and it came back on, but it was at the part of the if it had just continued playing. BLAH! I thought D-Cinema was supposed to allow for rewinding if stuff like this happened. Oh well. Another thing I noticed is that the beginning of the movie starts out with interviews of the different superheroes in a 1.33:1 frame made to look like 16mm news films. The image was LOADED with vertical green scratches, dirt/dust, cinch scratches, etc. for effect. I wonder how many "checkers" are gonna mark off for that, thinking they're actual defects. (they looked so REAL!) They were also there during the "CARS" trailer when the two cars were watching the film at the drive-in. See? They ran this contest knowing they'd put digital/fake film flaws in the movie so NOBODY would win the PIXAR trip. SHENNANIGANS!!! =TMP=  |  IP: Logged John T. Hendrickson, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 889 From: Freehold, NJ, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-06-2004 10:35 AM                     This has been one of the more "fun" topics to read. I applaud the effort made by the Disney, Pixar and Dolby conglomerate. I harbor no suspicions that this is a prelude to "crushing film like a grape" (see what we did for them, and they still it up) I have always believed in the carrot and stick approach for getting the most out of people, so here is a carrot in an effort to provide better presentation. It's a good step in the right direction. No harm, no foul, so to speak. My question now is: What about the stick? What's going to happen 1. When many of those 2393 prints (extra bucks paid for them to be sure) come back to the depot trashed? 2. Will the offenders who trashed the prints be punsihed? 3. Will the studio wring its hands over the thousands of presentations that got up? 4. Will presentation complaints made by patrons be addressed? Answer these questions yourselves, because you already know. Until studios take the carrot AND stick approach, life will go on as usual.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-06-2004 01:49 PM                     Mark, we need to take this into another thread, but nowhere did I say that "there are no problems with SRD at any location anywhere". If you had noticed the context of my post was referring to my theaters. And the fact remains that I have no real problems with SRD on my installations. DTS however has given every theater in town some fairly major software AND hardware problems over the years whereas I think I have had one Dolby card go bad since 1992 and a reel with a bad SRD track is quite rare. Them's the facts.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-06-2004 03:19 PM                     Hi Brad, I'm actually glad you have few problems with it.. the fewer problems this industry has the better,plus all the better for your customers and moviegoers in your area. I do intend to start a new thread in this in the near future. I recently had two CAT 700 supplies go down and the repair of them will be the main topic of that thread. No, it wasn't the normal burned to a crisp Molex connector problem in these two, although they were also showing signs of crispness. Dolby charges $500.00 to RA these supplies(with metalwork) which is a biger rip off than the 350.00 DTS supplies.... Cost to repair them was under ten bucks.... More later on when the new parts arrive and I take some photos. What won't be included in the new thread but will be here is all the card failures I've had to contend with in past years... primarily DA-20 and CP-500.... mainly video aquisition but there have been a number of others as well. The CP-650 is VERY reliable, with not a failure or blip but it just does not provide the sound quality, flexibility and low cost to repair when necessary that the CSP-1200 has to offer. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-06-2004 10:21 PM                     Howze 'bout this?... Go ahead and check theaters on the opening weekend. Those theaters that have stellar presentations are noted and duely rewarded, as per the original contest rules. THEN, there is a second check two weeks (or a month or watever) after the original. Those theaters that STILL have great presentations would be rewarded again. Those theaters that had crappy presentations the first time around could be checked again to see who is "Most Improved". Finally, if a theater STILL has a crappy presentation after all that time they win the Booby Prize!  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-07-2004 11:41 AM                       quote: When someone/studio/distributor decides to screw the ANSI/SMPTE standards and put their OWN logo for changeover cues, Wha...WHAA..? What's this all about, are you serious? Anyone have a screen shot of it? The insolence! On the topic of the contest, I'm with J.H. and M.S.. it's just a promo. I find nothing nefarious about it.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-07-2004 11:44 AM                     Tim: Please see page 3 of The Incredibles Print - Reel Change Indicators. My interpretation of the standard is that they are in fact in compliance, as well as being cute and fun, but your milage may differ. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-07-2004 12:00 PM                       Thanks, John. Two posts on similar topic... Anywho, that's a logo? Looks like a scratched-in cue that someone didn't make good enough. Thanks again for the pix.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-07-2004 09:43 PM                        So (somewhat to my surprise) I actually _did_ run this film this weekend. The trading cards are cool; hopefully they will send them out with second-run and repertory engagements (doubtful, but I can hope). I entered the contest; if I win, I will take lots of pictures for Brad to post.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-07-2004 10:03 PM                     The sweepstakes ends November 29th. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-07-2004 11:02 PM                    I'd be thrilled to visit PIXAR; I'm sure it would be interesting. But aside from maybe some artists who make models to help them flesh out ideas and perhaps a motion capture stage if they have one, it's basically going to be a bunch of people sitting at computer screens. Granted that what they're doing is a lot more fun (at least to look at) than what most people sitting at screens do but still, it's people sitting at screens. Alas, that is what much of the business has become. Editors, sound editors, effects people...all sitting in front of computer screens.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 11-07-2004 11:21 PM                        From what I've seen of the place on video, that's what it is--people sitting in front of Macs. But it is a very nice place, designed by Lasseter himself. And it does appear to have one hell of a screening room. The video tour I'm speaking of is on a Japanese DVD (region 2) entitled Lasseter-san, Arigatou (Thank You, Lasseter-san). It is a 2.6 hour personal thank you video to Lasseter for his work on dubbing and promoting the North Americian release of Spirited Away in 2002. Lots of footage of the Pixar plant.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-08-2004 10:43 AM                        I recall years ago seeing cues in Technicolor prints that looked like double crosses, or more exact, like telephone poles with two cross bars. Anyone ever see this? I only saw them on a few prints. They weren't hand made, that's for sure, and the certainly weren't "standard" circles. As for not messing with the technical stuff, I've seen SMPTE countdown leaders with all sorts of cartoon stuff going on for the numbers. Some very creative actually. And forget about TV videotape countdowns -- seems like those guys compete to make them as unique and off-the-wall as they can conjure up in the 8 seconds they've got to play with.  |  IP: Logged

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