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Author Topic: Proper/Improper use of FilmGuard Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-29-2006 04:50 PM                        Any item that is soaked is saturated, but an item that is saturated is not necessarily soaked. I haven't read the FG directions in a while, but maybe there should be a paragraph stating: "It's not necessary to have the pad be dripping wet...just filled (saturated) with Film-Guard. Methods such as dunking or soaking the media pads are NOT recommended because the media will become soaked (that is, overly saturated)." I have used Brad's suggested method of saturating the pads and then leaving them a couple of days. It works well, although there is still some streaking. ETS prints don't arrive until Friday for us, so we can't ever pre-screen anything except TES prints. Never had a complaint about the streaking though.  |  IP: Logged Robert Burtcher Expert Film Handler Posts: 194 From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Registered: Jun 2005 posted 06-02-2006 05:39 AM                     Okay, so if I'm understanding this thread right, when saturating the media pads, you want them visibily and uniformly wet, but not to the point where a little drips off as you're applying FilmGuard to them? Or what? I have been saturating the pads to the point where a drop or two will fall off the pads, then I'll blot a little off so that they will not drip. Is is too much?  |  IP: Logged Matt Fields Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 545 From: Ohio, United States Registered: Jun 2005 posted 06-02-2006 08:38 AM                     FWIW, I just spray until the film-guard reaches the core all round, but not until its dripping. If I spray till it drips, somtimes I'll get streaks on the second run though (first public show). - Matt  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2006 09:03 AM                     quote: Brad Miller ...the rolls are plenty long to cut into halves... I start by using a full roll, uncut for the first movie, rewinding it back to the starting point for each run. Then, when it's time to clean a second print, all I have to do is cut off the used portion and throw it out. This saves a lot of time and trouble in pulling all that media out and rewinding it again. It also circumvents the problem of getting dirt on the clean media if you drop it or get something on a surface where you are working. The only drawback is that you have to learn how to judge how much media is left on the roll. If you guess incorrectly it is liable to run out on you before the film ends. (A bad thing, obviously!) Further, if you have soaked the media rolls prior to using them, they will have set out for a day or more, thus allowing for the "rest period" mentioned above. If the pads are dried out from sitting too long, all that is needed is a quick spritz to freshen them up. When soaking the rolls, I use enough F.G. to wet them right up to the point where they drip, but not actually dripping. Again, that is a judgement issue. Once you do it a few times, you learn how to tell when enough is enough.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-02-2006 09:33 AM                     Randy...how do you get any tape to stick to the unused but now soaked portion of the media?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2006 10:54 AM                     I don't. First, put the fresh roll on the TAKEUP side of the cleaner. Then rewind the media onto the PAYOUT side, onto a plastic core. You can soak the material with FG, little by little as you rewind if you like. (Wind about 10-15 turns then give it a squirt. Wind another 10 turns then squirt again. Repeat until done.) When you've got it all wound onto the payout, put a plastic core on the takeup. Next, thread the media and pull one corner of it in between the notches of the plastic core. Then, when you rewind it will be trapped between the two interlocked cores. The media won't be able to slip even if it's all slippery with FG. But, once you get a couple-few turns around the core it will usually hold itself in place just by tension. If you are using the FT media, you can forget about the winding process. (Bonus!) Just put a fresh roll on the payout and an empty core on the takeup. Trap the corner and make a few turns to cinch it and you're ready to go. I have thought of a couple of possible modifications to the plastic cores that will make this process a bit easier. If I have time to experiment and get it right, I think I can make it so tape can be dispensed with, alltogehter, even if you don't soak the media all the way to the end.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Meredith Expert Film Handler Posts: 126 From: Jackson, MS, USA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 06-05-2006 05:26 PM                        I would like to offer a public apology to the author of the email previously quoted in the original post. I meant no disrespect toward that individual and certainly did not want to give offense. I realize now that posting an internal email, even with no names attached, is imposite, discourteous, and unprofessional. To anyone who may have been affected my my actions, I humbly apologize. For whatever it's worth, my original intention was not to reflect poorly upon REG or any of its members, but rather to get feedback from the designer and frequent users of a very good product. Again, everyone, please accept my apology.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 06-06-2006 01:19 AM                     Yes, many people lurk on this site. Chin up dude, I've been there before. They'll get over it.  |  IP: Logged Jarrad Salmon Film Handler Posts: 25 From: Baulkham Hills, NSW, Australia Registered: May 2006 posted 06-06-2006 07:47 AM                     It was touched on before in the previous posts, but I'd like to confirm that allowing the media pads to soak over night prevents the steaking on the first run. I personally believe that streaking is a direct result of a media pad being over saturated and unevenly applied.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-06-2006 10:03 AM                        Hey Chris, although you're posting the internal memo probably is a tad impolite (not the litany of horrors you listed), you didn't post the writer's name and your only intent was to get more precise information; it was hardly a personal attack on the moral and ethical verasity of the author (who evidently is pretty thin skinned if he made a big deal about it). Besides, we don't even know who he is nor do we care; he should be more concerned good booth practices and jumping for joy that he's got a worker who is eager to learn how to do things the correct way. Next time, just paraphrase anything that you have a question about rather posting a direct quote and risking the wrath of whoever. And not for nuthin, as we say in Brooklyn, he'll get over it.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-06-2006 02:09 PM                        FWIW, I didn't read it as disrespectful, but it's probably not a good idea to quote someone's internal email like that. If anything it's good to know there's someone in a technical management position at a large chain who's interested in properly using Film-Guard to improve the company's presentation. And he/she should be patting you on the back for caring. We won't mention another large chain of CINEmas whose tradeMARK is "We don't need no stinkin' Film-Guard!" (is that still the case there?)  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-06-2006 04:45 PM                     For clarity, RULE #6: Quoting other people's emails in the Film-Tech Rules and Policies says "Do not do this ever!" So regardless of politeness, etc., it would be wise to hold to it. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-06-2006 06:35 PM                     Hey Jarrad Welcome to Film-Tech. How's the FG working out for you guys there now? Solved the shedding issues? John  |  IP: Logged Jarrad Salmon Film Handler Posts: 25 From: Baulkham Hills, NSW, Australia Registered: May 2006 posted 06-11-2006 09:06 PM                     quote: John Wilson Hey Jarrad Welcome to Film-Tech. How's the FG working out for you guys there now? Solved the shedding issues? John Thanks John, this site as a great resource! The shedding isn't normally major problem thanks to film guard, but certain film stocks do seem to need it more than others. That said the hardest thing for us is 16 screens, 20 to 30 prints, one film guard unit! Have to come up with a tight film guard schedule each week. More units on the way though!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-11-2006 11:35 PM                     That's funny, Dave ... and they could use FG on those Christies real bad....since they have the units that can accept the Kelmars...  |  IP: Logged

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