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Author Topic: AMC now leaving green bands on? Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-27-2006 07:50 PM                     Even if they did leave one frame of black, odds are it would still jump a little bit as the splice goes through. There really is no real reason why they couldn't at least leave 8 frames of black (the length of a Neumade splicer block). This link is quite outdated in terms of actual leaders being used today, but if you scroll halfway down the page you will see how easy it is to mark your splicer in regards to 8 frames away from the cutting blade.  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 09-28-2006 11:37 AM                     It's amazingly pathetic how few booth people seem to be able to utilize the LAD frames, now present on so many trailers. True, it was usually easy enough to interpret where to cut via the outdated methods, but now it's like a non-threatening lady tells you where to cut  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-28-2006 12:54 PM                     quote: Chris Hipp The only problem that I noticed is they cut it right at the first frame of green so you can see the splicing tape in screen. They could at least leave one frame of black to hide it. What's even worse is when the cut at the end is in the middle of the trailer's credits including active sound, then "BLOP" - splice and instant green tag of the next trailer.. When I worked for Edwards that was taken over br REG, the new DM critiqued me on my trailer pak assemblies saying that the short black segments inbetween the trailers needs to cease. I didn't listen to him, obviously. ...just horrible sloppiness in trailer pak assemblies. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-28-2006 03:28 PM                    I can't count how many times I've seen that recently, Monte. The most recent time was the UA Riverview in Philly. Not only were the trailers like that, but also the splice between the last trailer and the studio logo for the feature. How the hell does that freakin happen?? Isn't the last trailer attached to the feature? Or do they change the order around for no reason at all? No Feature Presentation snipes in between, so that's not the reason. Ugh. Disgusting and horrible film handling there. It used to be their flag ship theater in Philly too. We count off several frames of black on the head and tail of the trailers. Although, I have to say I never considered (and probably never would have considered) marking the splicer like the one in Brad's link. I'll be doing that tonight. No more excuses from the lazy people.  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-30-2006 02:12 PM                     My rule of thumb for cutting trailers is to frame up somewhere in the leader on or on the first green-band frame, and then backup to where the DTS timecode starts (changes from the 'header' dashes to the actual timecode for the trailer) and then cut. At the end, I go to the fade-out (if there is one) and then advance about 2 feet. This makes for smooth transitions most of the time. The only thing that causes me to alter this method is if there are those odd printing marks in the image where the master film has been spliced together. My objective is to have smooth on-screen transitions and odd light sections that bounce around or green marks in the middle of the frame are distracting. Of course I also temper all of this with imperfections in the soundtrack area to prevent audio pops. It's probably worth noting that the "Flags of our Fathers" trailer that came with prints of "The Guardian" didn't have a green band at all. It goes from black to a fade-in on the Warner logo. Blaine  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-30-2006 02:17 PM                     Interesting. I didn't get Flags of our Fathers with the prints I handled. No green band=trash for me. I wouldn't have played it just like how I throw away attached trailers on used screening prints that have been cut on the green band. (Damaged film is damaged film and does not get run.)  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 09-30-2006 02:23 PM                     Sorry for the confusion. "Flags" was enclosed along with a half-dozen other trailers. It was unused and had the Paramount printed tag on the outside. Both "Guardian" prints we received were used from the sneak screening a couple of weeks ago, and the originally printed attached trailer for "The Prestige" was not returned or re-attached and Technicolor had spliced in a new copy of the trailer on both prints. Am I a lone crazy projectionist that actually splices the attached trailer back onto the print when it ships out?  |  IP: Logged Ross Oba Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Kailua Kona, HI Registered: Oct 2005 posted 09-30-2006 03:06 PM                     I know that sometimes the attached trailer may be for a movie that was already released, but I leave it on anyway.  |  IP: Logged Bob Plummer Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Mount Vernon, WA, USA Registered: Jul 2006 posted 10-01-2006 05:38 AM                     My two cents on the Green band issue. If you have an organized projection booth, (Like a big board with information on each print that is in your booth, including order of trailers, etc.) then there shouldn't be a problem with cutting the green bands off/mixing trailers, etc. From a downstairs standpoint, it gets teenagers all riled up because they have to be the first to yell out "green screen," much to the irritation of ... everyone that isn't acting immature. Personally, the trailer show runs faster, and people seem to complain less about the length of the trailers, as it seems to flow better. Many people associate the green screen as another 2 minutes between them, and their movie. Without the green screen, people seem to get lost in the trailer show and not realize the passage of time. I believe the major reason why AMC tried to do it without green bands was that if the trailers were attached to the properly rated movie, there wouldn't be a problem (i.e. G & PG would stay on G & PG films, and R previews would only go on R films, etc.) From a technical standpoint, I get why it's better, but from a theater operator standpoint, it's less of a pain downstairs.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-01-2006 05:44 PM                     I have never seen or heard of such problems as you described in that above post Bob.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-01-2006 06:51 PM                     Me neither on that one. But, the one advantage with trailer paks are that some patrons ask how long the trailer paks are which gives them the buffer on the snak bar runs they can still do, especially when circuits load up the screen with 20 plus minutes of trailers and ads (and the patrons know that 5 trailers are counted with the green tag..)with the advertised time is when the film (or digital presentation) hits the screen... - just gotta get that percap up, or the mgr gets the grief from home office..  |  IP: Logged Andrew Peter Chobaniuk Film Handler Posts: 28 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Jul 2006 posted 10-04-2006 12:39 AM                     we dont have the green bands up here, and when we see them we cut them off  |  IP: Logged

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