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Mike Schindler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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 - posted 03-14-2007 03:09 PM      Profile for Mike Schindler   Email Mike Schindler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
aintitcool.com is reporting that Robert Rodriguez was at SXSW discussing GRINDHOUSE. He revealed that they were having trouble getting an R rating from the MPAA. However, he said he wasn't too concerned about having to make cuts because he could literally just cut out the offending footage and join what was at the head and tail of that footage with a splicing tape effect.

He also said that he was considering the idea of releasing the movie on DVD as a Special Edition which will be remastered from a "newly found" print, with no scratches or missing footage or anything.

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Tim Reed
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quote: Mike Heenan
stuff like "Truck Stop Women" and "Death Race 2000" and "Blacula"... theaters where maybe the projectionist didn't run a reel in order to get home a little earlier, etc.
Mike hit the nail right square on the head! This is exactly what I was thinking. Movies just weren't shipped missing reels - not as a matter of routine, and certainly not making it to the screen that way! This just goes to show how out-of-touch Tarantino is. He thinks he knows 70s exhibition, but he assumes much.

The scratches in the TV promos I saw for this show aren't convincing. They look like so many fake-scratch shots in TV commercials - where you can tell the guy who adjusted the "add-scratches" plugin didn't know beans about film or how it runs. The ones that really get me are the intentional splices with missing footage -- the sound skips the very instant the picture changes!! How disconcerting! Anyone who's even run 16mm in high school knows that ain't right!

Further... when has ANYONE ever seen something that says, "MISSING REEL"!??!! (I realize it's exposition, but c'mon!) I've seen "Scene Missing" titles in rough cuts, but that's just temporary during production - never would be in release prints!
quote: Justin West
Man, I long for the days when a guy could relieve himself, freely, from the comfort of his theatre seat! Ahhh....
JUSTIN!! ROFL!!! [Big Grin]

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Dustin Mitchell
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IMDB Grindhouse FAQ
quote:
Contrary to rumors on the net, the missing reels idea in Death Proof and Planet Terror were not true staples of Grindhouse moviegoing. While many Grindhouse films would be missing frames, they were hardly ever missing entire 20 minute reels. The concept for this came from a film Quentin owns which has a missing reel. He found he enjoyed watching the film with a chunk of the film's plot missing because it created an interesting mystery about what actually happened in that part of the film. This idea was then transferred to the two Grindhouse double features.

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Wayne Keyser
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"-I know there were some dodgey theatres around but can anyone really believe a place like this existed, apart from sex movie houses?"

That's close to the way I remember it - Washington DC - TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE - first run (1974) - said to myself "this government job sucks, I'm taking a really long lunch." - Onetime "movie palace" exactly one block from the White House.

The site is now one of DC's classiest happy-hour bar/restaurants.

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Emiel De Jong
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You can see our entry for the SXSW "Grindhouse-competition" at
http://www.cross-over.be/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=89&Itemid=55&lang=nl

or: go to www.cross-over.be , then "media" then "filmfreak-trailer". (Quicktime)
In it you can see what a European projectionist / filmcollector looks like, and I promise there are no fake-scratches in it...

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Quenty-poo
“I guarantee you, when it pops up ‘Missing Reel,’ the entire theater is going to scream."
So let me get this straight... there will be a sign on the screen that says "Missing Reel"? WTF? That's like a sign coming on screen that says "Out of Frame" when something is spliced wrong or the projector is not framed correctly. Or maybe even "Wrong Movie" when you start the wrong show on in a house that has more than one print.

Here's what you all need to do in order for the directors' wishes and dreams to be fully realized:

-Do NOT run Filmguard®™© on this print EVER!!! (Trailers are OK).

-Use an old, dull CIR splicer or even scissors to build it if you can. If you have some white opaque splicing tape to use with it, then that is even better, especially if it leaves behind 4 dots when peeled away. Also make random splices here and there and remove some frames. Manually scratch in as many different reel change cue marks as you can think of all over the frame for the last 20 seconds of each reel.

-Build it up loosely straight onto a platter at slow speed with little to no resistance from the build-up table, making sure the edge of the platter deck rubs against the film the "wrong" way and that the roller feeding on to the deck is at least 2 inches lower than the deck itself. Print must be really loose.

-Build it onto a platter deck that is on the other side of the theater from where it needs to be. Move it by yourself to the proper platter. Be sure to drop the print. No big deal, just drag the print over to the proper platter and reassemble there. Stepping on the film is OK. Keep in mind that it does not matter if you cut and splice it back together out of sequence. After the print is reassembled, add in the trailer pack which did not go through these fun steps.

-When playing the movie, do NOT play it in 5.1 or better digital sound. Play it in optical mono. Be sure the high frequencies are cranked way up so that they can clearly hear all of the dirt on the print.

-Have any old xenons laying around for emergency spares? Do they flicker like crazy in addition to being insanely dim? PERFECT! Put one in your lamphouse for the duration of this movie (do NOT focus the bulb). Turn down the power supply as much as you can.

-It's time for a new aperture plate to be cut just for this movie. Be sure to get Nervous Ted from downstairs to do it for you. Just give him a file and the plate and tell him to make the hole look pretty and that he has 6 minutes to do it or else he will be fired (he can file downstairs in the lobby). Whatever the result, that is the aperture plate to be used with this film. Firing Ted is up to you, but it might add to the fun.

-You might want to "accidentally" bump into the lamphouse a few times during each showing. It may go off-center a bit, but that's OK. DO NOT correct it until the movie leaves this auditorium.

-Use a lens with the wrong throw distance if you can. Twist it a bit as well. And older lens with scratched/nicked/burned glass would be perfect.

-Try to find an old blown low frequency driver to install in your center channel speaker.

-Crossovers. Who needs 'em?

-Do not allow the theater staff to clean the auditorium for the entire time that the movie is there. Try to find a ton of cockroaches that you can let loose into the auditorium if they don't appear on their own.

-Finally, crack open the projection port so that the audience can hear the projector, especially since you will be making your loops WAY too big each time this show runs.

Remember, you must do all of these things to contribute to the look and feel of the movie or else you are not presenting it as the directors had intended and instead you'll be destroying their vision with your competence. Do not let this happen! Contribute to the art of the "grindhouse" style movie (whatever the fuck that is).

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Mike Williams
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quote:
-Do NOT run Filmguard®™© on this print EVER!!! (Trailers are OK).

-Use an old, dull CIR splicer or even scissors to build it if you can. If you have some white opaque splicing tape to use with it, then that is even better, especially if it leaves behind 4 dots when peeled away. Also make random splices here and there and remove some frames. Manually scratch in as many different reel change cue marks as you can think of all over the frame for the last 20 seconds of each reel.

-Build it up loosely straight onto a platter at slow speed with little to no resistance from the build-up table, making sure the edge of the platter deck rubs against the film the "wrong" way and that the roller feeding on to the deck is at least 2 inches lower than the deck itself. Print must be really loose.

-Build it onto a platter deck that is on the other side of the theater from where it needs to be. Move it by yourself to the proper platter. Be sure to drop the print. No big deal, just drag the print over to the proper platter and reassemble there. Stepping on the film is OK. Keep in mind that it does not matter if you cut and splice it back together out of sequence. After the print is reassembled, add in the trailer pack which did not go through these fun steps.

-When playing the movie, do NOT play it in 5.1 or better digital sound. Play it in optical mono. Be sure the high frequencies are cranked way up so that they can clearly hear all of the dirt on the print.

-Have any old xenons laying around for emergency spares? Do they flicker like crazy in addition to being insanely dim? PERFECT! Put one in your lamphouse for the duration of this movie (do NOT focus the bulb). Turn down the power supply as much as you can.

-It's time for a new aperture plate to be cut just for this movie. Be sure to get Nervous Ted from downstairs to do it for you. Just give him a file and the plate and tell him to make the hole look pretty and that he has 6 minutes to do it or else he will be fired (he can file downstairs in the lobby). Whatever the result, that is the aperture plate to be used with this film. Firing Ted is up to you, but it might add to the fun.

-You might want to "accidentally" bump into the lamphouse a few times during each showing. It may go off-center a bit, but that's OK. DO NOT correct it until the movie leaves this auditorium.

-Use a lens with the wrong throw distance if you can. Twist it a bit as well. And older lens with scratched/nicked/burned glass would be perfect.

-Try to find an old blown low frequency driver to install in your center channel speaker.

-Crossovers. Who needs 'em?

-Do not allow the theater staff to clean the auditorium for the entire time that the movie is there. Try to find a ton of cockroaches that you can let loose into the auditorium if they don't appear on their own.

-Finally, crack open the projection port so that the audience can hear the projector, especially since you will be making your loops WAY too big each time this show runs.

Joe, where did you get a copy of the AMC booth operator's manual?

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Brad Miller
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quote: Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
Is anyone going to run this with an intermission? Good way to increase concession spend.
Why even plan an intermission? Simply cut the film anytime the lobby is empty. Wait a few seconds and have the projectionist open the window and shout out "sorry the film broke, give me 10 minutes and I'll get it back up".

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Paul Gordon
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This would be a good film to cut single frames into....your choice on the content.. maybe some old nitrate frames... or some nice porn..

also..I'll make sure to open the dowser on this one before turning on the projector so everyone can see the number 3 melt away!

should be fun..

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Patrick Dunn
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Joe, you completly forgot the part where you cut out 10 foot strips of film from the movie and splice them back in random spots upside down. And put entire reels on tails out.

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Mike Schindler
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quote: Paul Gordon
This would be a good film to cut single frames into....
Here's a question which has been bothering me for years now. Are there splicers out there which allow you to easily splice a single frame of film in between two other pieces? I've only used Neumade splicers, and it seems like splicing a single frame would be difficult because of the width of the tape.

It also occurred to me that 4/6 is Good Friday. But with GRINDHOUSE coming out, shouldn't it be Great Friday?

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Steve Guttag
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You could conceivably splice a single frame via cement/ultrasonic.

However, consider skinnier tape. Standard tape is about 24mm wide but there are 19mm, 16mm and 8mm wide.

Steve

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Scott Norwood
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Here is a stupid question that has been bugging me for years: why is it that "standard" 35mm splicing tape covers five perfs' worth of film. Wouldn't it make more sense (and be less visible on screen) to cover the same number of perfs on each side of the cut? I would think that 4-perf or 8-perf tape would be more desirable than 5-perf.

And is the "extra" perf of tape supposed to go on the "head" side of the film being spliced or the "tail" side? Or does it even matter?

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Wayne Keyser
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Why not simplify your life ... no take-up reel or platter ... just let it run onto the floor, that's good enough, right?

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Jeremy Weigel
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Its been a while, but I seem to remember the Neumade splicers spliced even amounts on both sides. I've been using CIR's for about 10 years now. Don't really care for them, but they were what Regal supplied us with and when they closed this theatre down they left them behind, so I haven't had justification for getting rid of them.

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