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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: London, UK
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posted 03-30-2007 11:04 PM

Did people go to the toilet or for food/drink at the end of the first feature and during the 'trailers'?

Can't believe no-one has pointed the sound thing out to either director. Also apparently the film is in scope (could cheap productions afford widescreen in the 70's?) so running out of format is something to add to the list.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-31-2007 02:13 AM

quote: Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
You could play the film in mono through the centre only. Although if it has any other format on the print then Tarantino and Rodriguez are pretty stupid.

I already suggested this. Please refer to my first post for all of the ideas that need to be implemented.

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Jesse Skeen
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posted 03-31-2007 01:59 PM

A few of the old B-movies were shot in 2.35- but that means when this shows up on video, they should do a really awful pan-and-scan transfer of it like on the early home video releases.

And yes, they do need to follow this up with "Roadshow", to simulate a GOOD theatre experience. A lot fewer theatres would be able to show that properly though.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 03-31-2007 02:16 PM

leave the scratches in it so when they do a pan scan the scratches move across the screen with the scan oh and be sure to squeeze the image for the opening titles....

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John Stewart
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posted 03-31-2007 07:59 PM

The dolby tech set a 85db (7)mark on the remote fader as a ref. at about 2 o'clock. I didn't see the final position but was told it was sitting at about 4 o'clock. So, we were guessing about 4 or more db louder than normal.

Microphones were set up around the theater to record the audiance like they did for SIN CITY. My understanding is that track will be available on the DVD like SIN CITY. Rival teams of Roller Derby girls were on either side of the balcony and they were raising hell all thru the film.

When the first fake trailer showed up, I did see some people get up and head out but not many. Couldn't see the main floor so don't know about them.

The first story has to be the most violent film I've ever seen. Lots of exploding bodies with pink mist.

There are some really cool old dater strips that we've all seen before but not in a long time.

John

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Steve Guttag
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posted 04-01-2007 07:07 AM

quote: Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
Also apparently the film is in scope (could cheap productions afford widescreen in the 70's?) so running out of format is something to add to the list.

Yes Scope was indeed used on "cheap" productions in the '70s. Specifically...Techniscope...a 2-perf format similar to Super-35 but not using the soundtrack area. An example would be American Graffiti. Believe it or not...that film was completely done for under $1Mil...one of the most profitable movies ever.

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Frank Angel
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posted 04-01-2007 07:21 AM

quote: Steve Guttag
Yes Scope was indeed used on "cheap" productions in the '70s. Specifically...Techniscope...

Yah...we called it Technisoft. Crappiest format ever devised -- you were forever trying to focus the damn thing and no matter how you twisted that focus knob, it just went from very soft to less soft to very soft. My first encounter with a Techniscope picture was in a theatre that had those aweful Superscope anamorphics....talk about a poor kid trying to focus a soft scope picture....I was totally crazed by the end of the week.

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Patrick Watkinson
Film Handler

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From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 04-02-2007 05:01 AM

Spoiler warning:

All I have to say is WOW. I want to watch it again, screened it the other night to see if we would need to warn guests. It’s really gory for the planet terror. Death proof was a big spoof of “Vanishing point”, yet still lots of Tarantino’s style, references, busy musical score and such, something to watch more than once. The movie pretends it is missing reels in both movies. Planet Terror is the scratched print, whereas death proof is easier to watch but still has projection faux-pas and filmmaking faux-pas. Fake Trailers such as “ DON’T “ fun way to spend 3 hrs and 10 minutes

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 04-03-2007 04:10 PM

I could be wrong, but apparently there isn't any digital cinema version of Grindhouse, even though Robert Rodriquez shot his half of the movie onto video rather than film.

Carmike and a number of other theaters listing show times for this coming Friday have the movie listed as being on film.

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Paul Linfesty
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posted 04-03-2007 04:47 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Carmike and a number of other theaters listing show times for this coming Friday have the movie listed as being on film.

Is length a possible reason for this? I noticed that the running time given is 192 minutes (according to Variety, PLANET TERROR is 86 min and DEATH PROOF 87 min.). Odd, since the previews indicate its 2 and a half hours.

Of course, those scratches, dirt, etc, were "artistically" placed, I'm sure, and must be seen as the directors originaly intended! [Big Grin]

Are there any curtained theatres that will be closing and opening between previewes, the two features, etc? DId grindhouses even have working curtains?

As far as the sound goes, Variety reports that PLANET TERROR is "Accompanied by the built-in sound of projector noise."

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Mark Strube
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posted 04-03-2007 04:48 PM

Even though with digital projection both movies will still look "bad"... it would be kind of funny seeing Grindhouse that way. It would feel inappropriate to me. [Smile]

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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posted 04-03-2007 05:49 PM

quote: Paul Linfesty
Is length a possible reason for this?

I would doubt it. Digital cinema servers like the Doremi DCP-2000 can hold at least 3 or 4 full length high bit rate JPEG2000 movies, so the problem is certainly not on the server end to say the least.

Many "virtual prints" are shipped on 300GB external hard disc drives with USB 2.0 connections. Perhaps Grindhouse might have gone over that 300GB limit, forcing the need to use larger, more expensive discs.

Bear in mind, I don't know for sure if Grindhouse really doesn't have any digital virtual prints. The initial appearances in advance of Friday's opening tend to imply this is a 35mm-only release.

I expect at least a few dunderheads among viewing audiences to gripe at projectionists for messing up this movie. It would be funny to tell them, "we're not showing it on film, it came that way when we downloaded it digitally from the Internet!"
[evil]

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Dustin Mitchell
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posted 04-03-2007 09:45 PM

I don't think it was the length. Pirates was 150 minutes and that fit on a drive just fine. Worst case since it is two movies they could have sent out two drives. I think it might have to do with the studio though, I'm not sure if Mirimax has a distribution deal with AccessIT or not.

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Paul Linfesty
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posted 04-03-2007 10:10 PM

quote: Dustin Mitchell
I don't think it was the length. Pirates was 150 minutes and that fit on a drive just fine.

Of course, there is a bit of difference between 150 minutes and 192 minutes. [Smile]

quote: Dustin Mitchell
I'm not sure if Mirimax has a distribution deal with AccessIT or not.

The distributor of GRINDHOUSE is Dimension Pictures, a division of The Weinstein Company. Miramax is a subsidiary of Disney.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 04-03-2007 10:40 PM

Um, I thought the Weinsteins and Disney had a parting of the ways a year or two ago. Isn't that why the massive Kill Bill special edition DVD has never come into existence?

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